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Budgeting advice?
« on: February 17, 2009, 04:25:43 PM »
I've developed my own person philosophy for financial matters.  Or maybe I forgot about the exact source.  I call it the '70-10-10' rule.

Here's how it breaks down:
No more than 70% of your income should be dedicated to monthly obligations - loan payments, that 2 year cellphone contract, groceries, average utilities, etc...  Basically, if you can't drop it without significant penalty within a month, it goes in here.
10% - Retirement.  If you start at age 22(18+4 yrs college), that's 45 years of income to save up.  This should, without any problem, give you enough money to retire on.  If you're pessimistic, increase to 12%.  I'm unwilling to get more specific, as individual variations in situation will outweigh small percentage changes; may need to be increased if you didn't start early. 
10% - Emergency.  I'm not going to get real specific, but 'sale on shoes' or 'need a big screen TV for the superbowl' don't count.  'Car broke down' may, as might 'sudden illness'.  As a dissentive to using it frivolously; you should first exhaust your monthly free(luxury) budget on the necessety, then the allocation for the emergency fund, then dipping into the actual fund.

Remainder?  Luxury fund!  No matter how much or little you make; you need a little bit for the niceties in life.

Numbers:
Let's say I make $3k/month.  No more than $2.1k should be consumed by stuff like my home, insurance, utilities, groceries*, etc...
$300 to retirement ($3.6k/year).  $300 to emergency.
$300 'mad money', plus whatever I manage to keep out of the $2.1k non-discretionary spending.

Some reasons behind this:
Why the 70%? - Well, a multitude of reasons, but mostly because unemployment insurance tends to only cover ~70% of your income.  This way, you can drop back your expenses and use your emergency funds as necessary for oddball stuff, but aren't draining them too much, even if the unemployment period becomes extended.  If you end up getting a new job for less money, time to start transitioning to to the lower monthly obligation limit.
10% savings? Assuming 8% year, will grow over a 45 year working period to enough money to replace your income, even assuming some hiccups.  I assume medicare/SS takes care of medical.
10% emergency - they always happen.  If you're lucky and don't touch most of the money, call it your early retirement fund.

Personally, I run 90% of my finances through my credit cards.  What does this translate to?  I KNOW my expenses before I actually have to pay them.  I've been very successful in avoiding tapping my emergency fund by dropping my optional expenses(movies, eating out, etc...) after an emergency pops up to pay for it.

What do you think?

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Re: Budgeting advice?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2009, 04:29:15 PM »
Reasonable breakdown except it needs to be based on take home not gross.
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Re: Budgeting advice?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2009, 04:57:55 PM »
Reasonable breakdown except it needs to be based on take home not gross.

I missed sticking that in there, didn't I?

Yes, it's based on net after taxes, not gross.  Though 401k's and such that come out before your paycheck is cut count towards the 10%.

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Re: Budgeting advice?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2009, 04:59:03 PM »
If that's based on gross it ignores a few things.  The biggest issue is taxes.  If all you make is $3k per month and you have a family then taxes aren't a consideration.  But if you're single with no kids then it is still something that has to be accounted for.  And at higher incomes it can easilly approach 20-50% of gross.  

Another big one you're missing is giving.  I believe very strongly in the power of giving, and so we give 10% of gross to the church plus some extra to others people/org's as we see fit.  The other thing is we really try hard to hit 15% of gross into retirement savings.  

As you can see it doesn't take long to use up 45-75% of gross after taxes, giving and retirement savings.
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Re: Budgeting advice?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 06:39:20 PM »
If that's based on gross it ignores a few things.  The biggest issue is taxes.

Nope, net after taxes.  Tax rates vary far too much for a one line 'rule'.

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Another big one you're missing is giving.  I believe very strongly in the power of giving, and so we give 10% of gross to the church plus some extra to others people/org's as we see fit.

If you feel that strongly it's part of the 70%.  Otherwise, it's part of your 'mad money'.  That's to do with as you will - whether that be buying more guns or giving to charity.

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The other thing is we really try hard to hit 15% of gross into retirement savings.

Did you start investing at least 10% by age 22?  If not, especially if you're pessimistic, then yes, you need to invest more than the base 10%.

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As you can see it doesn't take long to use up 45-75% of gross after taxes, giving and retirement savings.

I agree.

Remember, it's AT MOST 70% to fixed expenses; AT LEAST 10% each towards retirement and emergency funds.

Question:  Is part of that 15% into taxable or other assets that you can get at without substantial penalty within around a month?
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Re: Budgeting advice?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 06:48:12 PM »

Question:  Is part of that 15% into taxable or other assets that you can get at without substantial penalty within around a month?

Only if you exhaust all tax-favored vehicles before getting up to 15%.  That would really only apply if you either make over $175k (assumes $16500 into a 401k and $10000 into yours and spouses Roth IRA) or you don't have any 401k available at work.
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Re: Budgeting advice?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 07:52:34 PM »
Firethorn, i think that's a good plan. If I may ask, are you married? The reason I ask is that a spouse entering the equation often throws out the plan along with your collegr sweatshirt and othe "treasures."

If you are, does your spouse agree. really agree?

It's a good plan for a young guy. Stick with it. Tweak the percentages as necessary.

This from a 65YO guy who will probable (now) work til I drop.

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Re: Budgeting advice?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2009, 08:37:07 PM »
For years the equiv. of 25% of my biweekly salary has been going into my 401k.

And, now that I have everything paid off with the exception of the mortgage, nearly 30% of my biweekly take home pay is going right into savings.

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