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Going into the Light
« on: March 16, 2009, 03:21:31 PM »
I'm sure most here have heard about, read about or seen in a movie or documentary near death experiences.

From what I know most near death experiences have one thing in common - a tunnel of light leading - well where it goes is irrelevant to this discussion.

Background: My wife is on oxygen. She's got to walk around with a bottle of the stuff when out and a hose when in. Unfortunately she occasionally decides she doesn't need it anymore.

When she does within about 15 minutes or so she BEGINS TO SEE THE LIGHT!

She describes it as a tunnel, leading away from her. Not an unpleasant feeling at all. When she puts the oxygen back on the tunnel goes away almost immediately.

Is this the same thing that the dying experience. IMO I would say so. As one dies respiration slows and ceases, last breaths are shallow and quick, brain keeps going but slowly becomes oxygen deprived and the tunnel of light shows up.

I believe this is one of the explanations that doctors give too.

NOt having had direct experience with this I thought it was interesting what my wife related to me.

Oxygen deprivation or the gateway to heaven?

You decide...

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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 04:15:18 PM »
Is this the same thing that the dying experience. IMO I would say so. As one dies respiration slows and ceases, last breaths are shallow and quick, brain keeps going but slowly becomes oxygen deprived and the tunnel of light shows up.

I believe this is one of the explanations that doctors give too.

NOt having had direct experience with this I thought it was interesting what my wife related to me.

Oxygen deprivation or the gateway to heaven?

You decide...


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I didn't see "light", but I sure got tunnel vision, and then went wet noodle and went face-first into the brick steps of the sanctuary. And during that time I was still sort of marginally aware of my surroundings, but I was very detached, and felt a relaxed euphoria that was very much like Rx narcotics, but 100x stronger.

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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 04:31:28 PM »
Sounds like oxygen deprivation to the brain or something.
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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 04:55:21 PM »
One of my druggie, yet somehow intelligent, friends seem to think that DMT is the culprit.  According to wikipedia,
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Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon.


Interesting stuff, tell her to stay away from the light.  Of course, if it were my wife, I would recognize this as a ploy to try to get me to do the dishes.   =D


Of course, delving deeper into this guy, there is no actual evidence of DMT produced in the pineal gland.  I'm wary to say the least.
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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 05:16:44 PM »
Werewolf's gotta stop tightening the oxygen hose around her neck.

The coroner will not rule it "accidental". ;)
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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 05:41:19 PM »
On THREE (3) separate occasions I was involved in what the medical profession described as near-death experiences, in that the said medical profession had every expectation that I was about to die and had no available explanation for why I did not die.

At NO time during any of those events did I see any lights, either approaching or leading from me towards some distant point.

This may be related to the fact that during each of those events I had no personal feeling/belief that I was about to die.  In fact, in each event I was aware of a very strong conviction that I was NOT going to die - in spite of the extremely serious and concerted efforts to secure my demise by multiple actors during two of those events.

On one occasion I did see a bright white light approaching me at a rapid speed.  That happened when I was sheltering from a severe rainstorm in a railroad tunnel.  The light was from what I learned was an oncoming train, which missed me by a a significant margin - if  you consider less than 20 feet a significant margin after running 20 yards.

I am no longer willing to voluntarily place myself in any position where others actively seek to effect my rapid demise, nor do I engage in self-directed activities that carry a high probability of resulting in my rapid demise.  Call me reluctant, if you wish.  My feelings will not be hurt if you do.

One other factor that may be influencing my lack of seeing the light is that I have what is commonly referred to as the non-existence of any sense of spirituality or religiosity.  It does hamper my ability to curse, but otherwise does not seem to effect me.  Perhaps it does relate to being unable to see the light.  YMMV.

Does spirituality or religiosity play a part in werewoolf's wife's lifestyle?  Does it play any part in Dr. Strassman's study?

In the mean time, werewolf needs a really good alibi after discussing the O2 hose.

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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 07:12:27 PM »
Back in my paramedic days, I was present a number of times when a patient died, either in the back of the bus or at the ER.  I think that as the brain begins to shut down, some very interesting things happen. 
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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 07:46:14 PM »
A guy I am acquainted with "died" but was resuscitated he said he didn't see or feel anything, it was an accidental drowning
fortunately occurring right next to an ER Nurse, talk about luck.
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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 07:47:52 PM »
I've had several near-death experiences as well, one involving oxygen deprivation, but have never seen The Light.

Perhaps this means I'm going to the other place.  :O
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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 10:14:39 PM »
The theory is that you do have to "see the light" before you "see the light".  That's what my momma told me anyway. 

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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 10:15:16 PM »
I've had several near-death experiences as well, one involving oxygen deprivation, but have never seen The Light.

Perhaps this means I'm going to the other place.  :O

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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 10:25:54 PM »
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From what I know most near death experiences have one thing in common - a tunnel of light leading -

Now, I am a Christian, and believe in the standard Christian personal eschatology.

That said, I read once a naturalistic explanation once of the "tunnel of light" NDE, that makes a lot of sense to me.  It has nothing in particular to do with what happens to a human soul at and after death.

It's what happens when a brain starts to die. 
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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 11:02:52 PM »
During a really bad asthma attack a few years ago, I had to be resusitated; and I had stopped breathing.  I am not sure if I'd have considered it a near death experience or not.

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Re: Going into the Light
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 12:15:08 AM »
I tend to have... uhh, "reactions", i.e. I get faint or completely pass out when there's lots of blood around.  Every time I approach a blackout I get tunnel vision and my eyes become more light sensitive.  My vote is for oxygen deprivation.

This runs in my family, by the way.  My dad gets the same reactions.  I do wish I could get it under control.  Although... probably a good excuse to keep me out of the delivery room(where no man belongs, IMO) :D