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It is about time common sense came into play in the ethanol debate.   If they turn trash into ethanol, that is one thing, but raising corn for ethanot is something stupid in my way of thinking. 

California EPA to rule against ethanol
Regulators conclude biofuel can't help state reduce 'global warming'
By Jerome R. Corsi
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95745



In a decision anticipated as a major setback for proponents of renewable biofuels, California regulators appear ready to conclude that corn ethanol cannot help the state reduce "global warming."

In a hearing scheduled tomorrow in Sacramento, the California Environmental Protection Agency has evidently concluded that corn ethanol will not help the state implement Executive Order S-1-07, the Low Carbon Fuel Standard, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Jan. 18, 2007, mandating a 10 percent reduction in the carbon intensity of the state's fuels by 2020.

"Ethanol is a good fuel, but how it is produced is problematic," Dimitri Stanich, public information oOfficer for the California Environmental Protection Agency, told WND. "The corn ethanol industry has to figure out another way to process corn into ethanol that is not so coal intensive."

Stanich pointed out that the formula the California Environmental Protection Agency utilizes to assess the net greenhouse gas impact of alternative fuels takes into consideration that typically the electricity used to produce corn ethanol involves burning coal, which emits carbon dioxide and defeats states regulatory intent to reduce net greenhouse emissions.

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Also problematic, Stanich explained, was that increased demand for ethanol will encourage recognition worldwide that more ethanol can be sold. The result is that more land globally will be converted to producing corn for ethanol.

"Converting land that is now a 'carbon sink' to farmland producing ethanol also defeats the purpose of the regulations, because land now absorbing carbon dioxide would be cleared to produce corn," he said.

Another problem Stanich pointed out was that the waste product from producing corn ethanol also requires the burning of coal to convert it into animal feed.

The California Environmental Protection Agency formula assesses as a loss the conversion of the carbon dioxide-absorbing land now populated with trees into cleared farmland producing corn for ethanol.

Stanich told WND the California Environmental Protection Agency has scheduled six hours for public testimony, expecting to hear strong opposition from the ethanol industry.

Current federal government mandates require U.S. gasoline producers to use 12 billion gallons of ethanol this year, with the requirement increasing to 15 billion gallons by 2015.

Under the Obama administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency are pushing to increase the percentage of ethanol in gasoline from 10 percent to 15 percent, an increase right now that would mostly come from corn ethanol, not cellulosic ethanol.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture predicts nearly one-fourth of U.S. corn production in 2014-2015 will be diverted to ethanol production, up from 12 percent in 2004-2005.

The USDA estimates that the increased demand for corn to produce ethanol has pushed prices from less than $2 per bushel of corn in 2005 to $3.40 per bushel in 2007. Corn is currently trading at about $3.80 per bushel.

WND reported this week a controversial Congressional Budget Office study concluded that 10 to 15 percent of the increase in food prices from April 2007 to April 2008 is attributable to the increasing demand for corn to produce ethanol, contributing adversely to the problem of world hunger.


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Re: Regulators conclude biofuel can't help state reduce 'global warming'
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 09:31:52 AM »
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"The corn ethanol industry has to figure out another way to process corn into ethanol that is not so coal intensive."

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the California Environmental Protection Agency has evidently concluded that corn ethanol will not help the state implement Executive Order S-1-07, the Low Carbon Fuel Standard, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Jan. 18, 2007, mandating a 10 percent reduction in the carbon intensity of the state's fuels by 2020.

I love it.

"Wait, there isn't a better process for separating alcohol from water?  Dropping the carbon content of fuel will lead to it having less energy and thus get worse fuel mileage?  But!  But!  WAAHHHH!  We made a law, it's not our fault if we've asked private industry to do the imposable!"

Right out of Atlas Shrugged.

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Re: Regulators conclude biofuel can't help state reduce 'global warming'
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 10:43:51 AM »
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typically the electricity used to produce corn ethanol involves burning coal, which emits carbon dioxide and defeats states regulatory intent to reduce net greenhouse emissions.

One of my pet peeves regarding "green technology" is that they never mention the ancillary pollution costs of production and maintenance of the technology. I'm glad to see they acknowledge that much of the electricity used in ethanol production comes from coal. I'm waiting for them to acknowledge the source for much of the electricity used when someone plugs their electric car in to charge.

It's fine by me if someone wants to run their car on gas, diesel, ethanol, electricity, or hamster poop. Just recognize that nothing creates a "zero carbon footprint".
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Re: Regulators conclude biofuel can't help state reduce 'global warming'
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 11:07:32 AM »
It's fine by me if someone wants to run their car on gas, diesel, ethanol, electricity, or hamster poop.

Do have the recipe for turning Hamster poop into fuel.  Also would it work with Raccoon poop ??  We cleaned out an old barn over the weekend and ended up with a big pile.  Think three bucket loads from a front-end loader.

If raccoon poop doesn't work, then I'll just have to chase my Hamster Ranching dream......  =D
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 11:33:16 AM »
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Do have the recipe for turning Hamster poop into fuel.

10,000 hamsters, a shovel, and a lot of patience...  :laugh:
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Re: Regulators conclude biofuel can't help state reduce 'global warming'
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 12:09:04 PM »
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Just recognize that nothing creates a "zero carbon footprint".
True.  Even walking creates Co2 emissions, because you have to exhale.

Remove all CO2 from the atmosphere and all the green plants will die, since they use CO2 for their fuel.