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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/01/rci-xrail-roth-auto-index-loader/

Basically, a bass-ackward revolver for tube fed shotguns. Here's Tam's take on it.

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2009/04/just-because-something-can-be-done.html

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Is your Remington 11/87 gamer gun with its super-extended mag tube not nose-heavy enough?

Does your inertia-operated Benelli M1 still occasionally cycle, despite the SureFire forearm, side-saddle, tac-sling, full butt-cuff, and EOTech holosight damping the recoil of even the heaviest buckshot loads?

Do you sometimes look at your self-shucker and think "You know, this thing just doesn't have enough springs, moving parts, and fiddly bits to break off and tie it up"?
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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 11:30:48 PM »
Well, yeah, but if you put some legs and wheels on it...
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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 11:32:01 PM »
Useless, pointless, heavy, awkward, ugly.. but for some reason I still want one.

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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 11:38:34 PM »
Well, yeah, but if you put some legs and wheels on it...

No, no, no.

ONE wheel.  Two handles.  Pintle mount for "shotty."  Large tub handy for carrying a case of 12ga shells.

You would have the ultimate Urban Assault Wheelbarrow.
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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 11:41:31 PM »
I've been pretty bummed out for the past couple of days, but THAT put a smile on my face.
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If it makes Sarah Brady have to go clean her panties it is alright by me.

Sometimes stupid gun crap is fun to have just for sh*ts and giggles.
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Does your inertia-operated Benelli M1 still occasionally cycle, despite the SureFire forearm, side-saddle, tac-sling, full butt-cuff, and EOTech holosight damping the recoil of even the heaviest buckshot loads?
I thought it was the inertia of the bolt, not the rest of the shotgun, that regulated the Benelli's cycling?

It's not clear to me how increasing the weight of the rest would affect anything - other than some O/U shotguns (in which the second barrel is set up to shoot by the recoil of the first) most semi-auto firearms are more likely to malfunction if allowed to recoil freely, rather than by meeting resistance, unless the moving parts are bound up somehow.
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I thought it was the inertia of the bolt, not the rest of the shotgun, that regulated the Benelli's cycling?

It's not clear to me how increasing the weight of the rest would affect anything - other than some O/U shotguns (in which the second barrel is set up to shoot by the recoil of the first) most semi-auto firearms are more likely to malfunction if allowed to recoil freely, rather than by meeting resistance, unless the moving parts are bound up somehow.

Because it's the bolt's inertia to sit still for a split second while the rest of the shotgun recoils that works the Benelli mechanisim. The more the Benelli moves, the more reliable it is. Which is completely opposite from most all other gas-operated autos where letting the rifle/shotgun move too much, or recoil operated pistols (limp wristing) can rob momentum from the piston, slide, bolt, or other reciprocating components.

If the Benelli-style inertia-locked shotgun masses more, it moves less under recoil because it's own inertia is increased. Which is why side-saddles, optics, and tac-lights eventually reach the tipping point making a Benelli recoil-operated autoloader unreliable. An overly strong shooter with a very rigid hold and shoulder can also induce the same malfunction. Fixing the buttstock against something completely rigid like a telophone pole etc. would also induce a malfunction.

And since every shooter is different under recoil, and even different at the end vs. the beginning of a shooting day when they're tired out, it makes "how much is too much weight" on a Benelli a very dicey proposition.
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Just to clarify, it's not, stricly speaking, the recoil that operates a Benelli. It's the rearward movement, which gets both gun and bolt moving, combined with the stop when the gun hits the shoulder and the bolt keeps moving. Both have to happen in order for it to work. A soft shoulder won't stop the gun suddenly enough, and a rigid shoulder (or lots of weight) won't allow it to get moving rearward fast enough in the first place.

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An overly strong shooter with a very rigid hold and shoulder can also induce the same malfunction.

I don't know much about shotguns, but it doesn't sound like an awesomely reliable gun to me.
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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2009, 01:32:05 AM »
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/01/rci-xrail-roth-auto-index-loader/


Creating a demand for tripod-mounted shotguns, are we?

Is this legally one magazine, or several?   California law says no more than 10 round per mag, but there's no limit on the number of mags that can be attached to the firearm at a time.

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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2009, 02:27:05 AM »
>Creating a demand for tripod-mounted shotguns, are we?<

No... that'll be when a friend and I upsize the plans he has for a .22 gatling to 12ga... :D
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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 03:24:49 AM »
>Creating a demand for tripod-mounted shotguns, are we?<

No... that'll be when a friend and I upsize the plans he has for a .22 gatling to 12ga... :D

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Re: In today's "Useless gimmicks that might get you killed" category...
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2009, 04:21:42 AM »
Oh, it'll get built eventually. I think he's already started looking at barrels.

Gonna be a pricey beast to feed though. And I imagine we'll get banned from 100 bird flurries afterward...
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