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Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« on: May 28, 2009, 03:17:24 PM »
All this richard-dancing and political games about releasing this, but not releasing that document is fine & dandy for our America-despising POTUS as he seeks political advantage.

But, I would like to know where are the prosecutions for rape, if there is testimony and photographic evidence? 

As far as I know, of all the Abu Graib prosecutions, none included rape, which I consider a whole lot more serious that some white trash skank yukking it up over naked prisoners.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html

Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.
 

By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent and Paul Cruickshank
Last Updated: 8:21AM BST 28 May 2009

At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.

Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.

Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.

Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

The graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published.

Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President’s decision, adding: “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency.

“I am not sure what purpose their release would serve other than a legal one and the consequence would be to imperil our troops, the only protectors of our foreign policy, when we most need them, and British troops who are trying to build security in Afghanistan.

“The mere description of these pictures is horrendous enough, take my word for it.”

In April, Mr Obama’s administration said the photographs would be released and it would be “pointless to appeal” against a court judgment in favour of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

But after lobbying from senior military figures, Mr Obama changed his mind saying they could put the safety of troops at risk.

Earlier this month, he said: “The most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to inflame anti-American public opinion and to put our troops in greater danger.”

It was thought the images were similar to those leaked five years ago, which showed naked and bloody prisoners being intimidated by dogs, dragged around on a leash, piled into a human pyramid and hooded and attached to wires.

Mr Obama seemed to reinforce that view by adding: “I want to emphasise that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib.”

The latest photographs relate to 400 cases of alleged abuse between 2001 and 2005 in Abu Ghraib and six other prisons. Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been “identified, and appropriate actions” taken.

Maj Gen Taguba’s internal inquiry into the abuse at Abu Ghraib, included sworn statements by 13 detainees, which, he said in the report, he found “credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses.”

Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

The translator was an American Egyptian who is now the subject of a civil court case in the US.

Three detainees, including the alleged victim, refer to the use of a phosphorescent tube in the sexual abuse and another to the use of wire, while the victim also refers to part of a policeman’s “stick” all of which were apparently photographed.
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 03:38:22 PM »
But, I would like to know where are the prosecutions for rape, if there is testimony and photographic evidence? 
If they exist, then yeah they damn well should be prosecutions.
Surely if they do exist though, wouldn't somebody, anybody have leaked them by now?
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 03:41:19 PM »
All they are doing is creating the hype so that they have to release the photos.    Once they are released.  "Well if you look at it from this angle and squint your eyes, you can see that almost kinda-sorta could look like a rape."


And if there were any rapes, there damn sure would have been prosecutions.
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 03:48:03 PM »
All they are doing is creating the hype so that they have to release the photos.    Once they are released.  "Well if you look at it from this angle and squint your eyes, you can see that almost kinda-sorta could look like a rape."


And if there were any rapes, there damn sure would have been prosecutions.

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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 08:14:11 PM »
All they are doing is creating the hype so that they have to release the photos.    Once they are released.  "Well if you look at it from this angle and squint your eyes, you can see that almost kinda-sorta could look like a rape."


And if there were any rapes, there damn sure would have been prosecutions.

We know this, but I guarantee you the rest of the world reading this stuff is 100% positive beyond a doubt that U.S. soldiers committed atrocities and were not prosecuted. This plays right into how we are perceived and Obama et al know it. Carter 2.0, and worse.
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 08:26:09 PM »
I'm supposed to take an English "news" paper seriously?
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 08:45:51 PM »
If there was rape, it would have been prosecuted.  Look at a prisoners koran wrong and you are likely to have your career screwed, but rape is oki dookie?  Yeah, right.

The strategy here is simple.  Make hype about just how bad they are.  Rape is about as bad as it gets, depending on the culture homosexual rape may even be worse.  Then, they figure, we will have to release the photos in an effort of "Alright look! Here's the damn pictures, nothing more then you saw years ago!"  While the hopes are they can find some little thing in those pictures.
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 03:55:38 AM »
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Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President’s decision, adding: “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency..."
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 04:32:42 AM »
they should just release them, (whatever photo's they have left) damage already done, I was thinking they had something on B.O
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2009, 11:00:23 AM »
Ian, our generals don't GET to be generals without some serious political pull - not unusual to find a 3 or 4 star to be a lick-spittle for whoever is in charge....

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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 11:09:20 AM »
Why do the liberals make such a big deal about this when rape is standard everyday occurrances here in the American prison system......chris3

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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 11:11:14 AM »
Why do the liberals make such a big deal about this when rape is standard everyday occurrances here in the American prison system......chris3

God I hope that's sarcasm. And here I thought the "a horrible death is the proper penalty for jaywalking, and don't forget to sue the widow" thread was as low as APS could go....  :mad:
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 11:48:59 AM »
God I hope that's sarcasm. And here I thought the "a horrible death is the proper penalty for jaywalking, and don't forget to sue the widow" thread was as low as APS could go....  :mad:

I'm with Balog.  If there is evidence of rape at prisons our .mil is running, I want it run to ground.  If there is substance behind it, prosecute.

I am also not satisfied with American prisons' incidence of rape.  and explained my position here:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=19345.msg362013#msg362013
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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2009, 12:07:11 PM »
God I hope that's sarcasm. And here I thought the "a horrible death is the proper penalty for jaywalking, and don't forget to sue the widow" thread was as low as APS could go....  :mad:

A classic case of inability or unwillingness to comprehend what's actually said/written.

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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2009, 12:32:08 PM »
My error, I was not referring to military prisions, but the federal, state, and county prisons.....chris3

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Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 12:13:35 AM »
http://www.salon.com/


Taguba denies he's seen abuse photos suppressed by Obama
The general told a U.K. paper about images he saw investigating Abu Ghraib -- not photos Obama wants kept secret...

On Thursday an article in the Daily Telegraph reported that Taguba, the lead investigator into Abu Ghraib abuse, had seen images Obama wanted suppressed, and supported the president's decision to fight their release. The paper quoted Taguba as saying, "These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency."

But Taguba says he wasn't talking about the 44 photographs that are the subject of an ongoing ACLU lawsuit that Obama is fighting.

"The photographs in that lawsuit, I have not seen," Taguba told Salon Friday night. The actual quote in the Telegraph was accurate, Taguba said -- but he was referring to the hundreds of images he reviewed as an investigator of the abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq -- not the photos of abuse that Obama is seeking to suppress.

In March 2006 Salon published "The Abu Ghraib Files," 279 photographs and 19 videos collected by the Army's Criminal Investigation Division as it examined the shocking cases of prisoner abuse at the notorious Baghdad prison. The photos depict scenes of extreme cruelty – prisoners forced to publicly masturbate, naked prisoners held in extreme stress positions, or being walked naked by a female guard. Some photos show prisoners bloodied and otherwise injured, with untrained guards tending to their wounds...

Several news organizations have described some of those same images as among the ones Obama is seeking to suppress, when in fact, they've already been published by Salon.

(warning, disturbing photos)

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/05/30/photos/index.html
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