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Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« on: August 06, 2009, 01:51:21 AM »
We've all seen the picture of the victorious Soviet soldier raising the flag on the roof of the Reichstag after the Battle of Berlin.

It was obviously intended to be a propaganda photo. Despite this I was unaware of the real story behind the flag raising. The official Soviet history was that the photo was taken after the Reichstag was overrun on April 30th. In actuality it was taken on May 2nd. The man who raised the flag was a Georgian sergeant named Meliton Kantaria who was later awarded the award "Hero of the Soviet Union".

In reality the Reichstag was taken during a night attack led by Mikhail Minin. Here is his story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Minin

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Joseph Stalin had urged his troops to mount the flag on the Reichstag building no later than May 1, 1945. Minin's superiors had told the soldiers that any piece of red cloth fixed to the building would symbolize that the battle was won.

Minin recalled in a recent interview in a German documentary, the "War of the Century", that by the time the building needed to be stormed, morale among the victorious Soviet soldiers was low. They knew the building could only be taken on foot and it was still heavily defended. So his commanders decided to launch a night attack and Minin was put in charge of the platoon.

“Nobody really wanted to die that night because the war was already won,” he declared. “Even a promise by our officers that those who captured the building would get the highest decoration of Hero of the Soviet Union called forth few volunteers. Except for my little company.” As they made their way towards the Reichstag they were met by heavy fire. Ducking and weaving their way up to the portals of the building, they found they were bricked up. Minin reported that one of his men remembered seeing a felled tree in the neighborhood so they went back to get it and used it as a battering ram. As they entered there was sporadic fire from German soldiers. They responded with their machine guns and managed to go up the stairs and reach the roof. “But we had no flag with us. Instead we found a pole and a red rag and fixed it into a damaged statue symbolizing Victoria on the top of the building. I was euphoric. I had done my duty as a simple soldier.”


The members of his platoon was passed up for Hero of the Soviet Union medals for the sake of propaganda; although Kantaria being a Georgian like Stalin may have had something to do with it. President Yeltsin officially recognized his victory in 1995. He died on January 10, 2008. According to Wikipedia he was not the only Russian who claimed to have been put a banner on the Reichstag on April 30th, but I'm inclined to believe him.

A note on innacurate representations of the Soviet campaign; works of fiction like Call of Duty 5 would have the consumers believe that the push toward Berlin and the battle therein was a glorious series of battles against helmeted SS troops. In reality many of the defenders were 12 year old Hitler youth and very old militiamen. The reason there were so few German men left after the war was because they had all been killed off (the Nazis did not allow women to seriously participate in the war effort until 1943, and never in combat or combat related jobs, which was very foolish.) The Russians frequently executed all prisoners and raped almost all of the German women, girls, and concentration camp survivors they found along the way. They were in no way heros.

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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 01:55:14 AM »
We've all seen the picture of the victorious Soviet soldier raising the flag on the roof of the Reichstag after the Battle of Berlin.

No, never seen it; never heard of it. 
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 02:09:00 AM »
No, never seen it; never heard of it. 

What a poor imagination you must have had as a teen, never to have seen so inspiring a picture (I'm half serious; I still have a fantasy of running around a city with a PPSh-41, I can't help it.) In any case that last part of WWII is very interesting.  =)

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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 07:19:53 AM »
Oh, so it's an imaginary picture.   =)
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 07:20:58 AM »
You forgot where they had to retouch the Kantaria picture because one of the guys was wearing four watches; apparently the Soviets had been looting these off the German dead.
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 08:13:53 AM »
I was just going to say that one fellow in that photo had at least two watches...
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 03:21:37 PM »
Interesting story. Never new the story behind the picture other than that it was staged like our famous picture of the raising of the second flag raising on Iwo Jima.

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The Russians frequently executed all prisoners and raped almost all of the German women, girls, and concentration camp survivors they found along the way. They were in no way heros.

Sources?
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 03:28:58 PM »
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2009, 02:37:05 AM »
Sources?

Any book about the Eastern front during that part of the war should cover most of it. I got my info from documentaries, eyewitness accounts, and things I read here and there, including part of Solzenitsyn's book. The Russians were notorious for doing what has been described in this thread.

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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2009, 07:59:55 AM »
"that it was staged like our famous picture of the raising of the second flag raising on Iwo Jima."

Uh, no. The second flag raising was not staged. That's been claimed later by people who weren't there and who had nothing better to do than be pissy little bitches, but Rosenthal has always denied it, and the men in the group who survived the war always vehemently denied it.
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2009, 08:19:53 AM »
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Any book about the Eastern front during that part of the war should cover most of it. I got my info from documentaries, eyewitness accounts, and things I read here and there, including part of Solzenitsyn's book. The Russians were notorious for doing what has been described in this thread.

So you don't really have any sources?   =|
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2009, 08:46:37 AM »
So you don't really have any sources?   =|

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

Just scroll down to the sources list right there. You can even read most of them online.
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2009, 08:48:01 AM »
Interesting story. Never new the story behind the picture other than that it was staged like our famous picture of the raising of the second flag raising on Iwo Jima.

Sources?

The second raising wasn't staged.  They were given a larger flag and raised it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Raising_the_second_flag
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Re: Mikhail Minin: The Real Reichstag Flag Raiser
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2009, 09:08:33 AM »
Would that be the same Wikipedia that I've written articles for?   =D
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