Author Topic: Requiem for the Right  (Read 8120 times)

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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2009, 10:07:59 PM »
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In brief, neoconservatism is composed of a belief in social conservatism (often 'moderate' social conservatism), a belief in an interventionist foreign policy, and, most importantly, a refusal (on an ideological level) to oppose the existence of the welfare-state. Rather, the neconservative wants the  superstate to exists, but he wants it to pursue 'conservative goals'. 'Moderation' and 'slow, non-revolutionary change' are beloved by Kristol.
Which simply proves the point that it means anything anyone wants it to mean.

Clinton seems to meet those criteria.  I think the Mogadishu situation qualifies as interventionist foreign policy.  Clinton certainly didn't oppose the welfare state.

If you want examples of Clinton as a (moderate) social conservative, I'd point to the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, the firing of Dr. Joycelyn Elders, and the fact that Clinton is a Christian (the stereotypical liberal is a Godless heathen).  I guess it depends on what your definition of "moderate" is.  :)
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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2009, 10:16:18 PM »
And "liberal" has an actual meaning closer to "libertarian." Tell you what, I'm gonna write a book defining "conservative" as actually meaning "socialist." Once it gets cited on Wiki it'll be the truth!
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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2009, 10:42:18 PM »
And "liberal" has an actual meaning closer to "libertarian."

There's a reason historians and political scientists differentiate between "North American liberals" - which are essentially what people in America normally mean when they say liberal - and European Liberals, who are sort of like the German FDP and similar parties.

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When everyone uses a term one way, and the dictionary defines it different way, it means the dictionary is wrong.

Most people out there think AR-15's are assault rifles. They're not.

Most people think "regulated"  means "controlled by the state", but that's not what the Constitutional phrase means.

I'm betting a lot of people still think dolphins are fish. They're still mammals.
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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2009, 11:04:33 PM »
One dude writing a book != definitive.
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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2009, 11:09:20 PM »
One dude writing a book != definitive.

Would you feel better about my argument if I used the term "moderate conservatives"?
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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2009, 11:34:50 PM »
Given that your argument is concerning the term neo-con, using a different term is sort of self-defeating innit?
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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2009, 11:38:47 PM »
My argument is this.

Neo-conservatives - and other moderate Republicans - have been very prominent with the previous Presidential Administration.
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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2009, 12:09:55 AM »
When did the previous administration become part of this conversation?

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Re: Requiem for the Right
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2009, 12:12:29 AM »
When did the previous administration become part of this conversation?

Since this post.
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