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Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« on: September 07, 2009, 12:29:41 PM »
If I may devolve into Internet lingo -- OMG.

This apparently happened six weeks ago, but I just read it in an "IT Newsbits" thing I get in my work email. Amazon apparently went into all its subscribers Kindles and removed two books: Animal Farm and 1984:laugh:

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Amazon makes amends for Kindle blunder -- to a point
By Robert X. Cringely
Created 2009-09-04 01:19PM

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About six weeks ago Amazon.com did something so incredibly stupid it could easily have been mistaken for satire: It reached into people's Kindles and deleted copies of Orwell's Animal Farm and 1984 [1], saying the publisher who sold them (for 99 cents apiece) did not have the rights to do so.

At the time I gave Amazon hell for this ("Careful what you read. Big Bezos is watching" [2]) and so did my readers ("Write and wrong; Amazon's Orwellian Nightmare" [3]). About a zillion bloggers also jumped in and slapped Amazon about the head and shoulders.

The company was then sued by a high school senior [4] who says he lost the notes he was keeping in his Kindle for a school assignment based on 1984 -- thus making him the first teenager in recorded history who could credibly claim something else ate his homework.

Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos issued a public apology [5] -- something he does about as often as it rains donuts in Seattle -- and Amazon issued refunds for the books it "unsold." But that's as far as it went.

Yesterday, however, Amazon quietly made amends. According to a report published in the Wall Street Journal's Digits blog [6], Amazon is giving Kindle owners the option of having the books restored free of charge, getting a $30 gift certificate, or receiving a check for $30. (Kind of along the lines of what I suggested they do -- do you think they read Cringe, too?)

First reaction: Great news. This is exactly what Amazon should have done in the first place.

Second reaction: Why did it take them six weeks to get around to it? Has Amazon learned nothing in its 14-plus years of existence about customer service? It's one of the truisms in the customer service racket: If you screw up but make up for it well (and quickly), people like you better than if you'd never screwed up at all. Making up for it months later when everyone's moved on to other things is unlikely to have the same effect.

Then there's the bigger question of how Amazon will treat similar situations in the future. All Bezos said about the matter is that Amazon will "make better decisions going forward [7], ones that match our mission."

If Amazon really does want to become "Earth's most customer-centric company," it's got to do a better job of explaining its DRM policies. Do Kindle users own the books they've paid for, or are they just renting them at Amazon's largesse? Why can't people who've paid for digital books sell them, trade them, or give them away [8], as they can when they buy books from Amazon made from dead trees?

If publishers are afraid "used" eBooks will cannibalize sales of "new" ones (because you can't dog-ear a digital book), why not create a marketplace that lets Kindle owners sell their old eBooks -- but just once per copy? Would that really be so hard?

I think Amazon needs to move beyond the obvious restore/refund/rebate option and define what rights it thinks its customers actually have. That process should include asking customers what rights they think they ought to have. That's what "customer-centric" means.

And not just Amazon. It's anyone who sells or publishes digital content -- books, music, movies, etc.  They need to stop thinking they can continue to dictate to consumers and start listening instead. Because without us, they're nothing.

Does Amazon's make-good make you want to buy a Kindle? What rights do you think customers should have? Post your eloquently expressed opinions below or email them to me: cringe@infoworld.com [9].
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 12:59:24 PM »
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Why did it take them six weeks to get around to it?

Obviously, the high ticket lawyers had to talk it over a good long while. They've become the new priestly class in our witless, soul-less so-called "society."
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 01:00:12 PM »
Somewhere in a darkened room, Harold Tuttle prepares a Two Minutes Hate Bezos photoshop. 
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 01:11:01 PM »
At $0.99 per e-book, I'm okay with DRM on them.  That's about 10% of the cost of a paper book when new, and about 25% the cost of a paper book when used.

But, once the format reached the same pervasive status as MP3... prices will gain parity with traditional offerings.

That's why I still buy CD's rather than buying MP3's:  I want the CD so I can make my own MP3's that aren't DRM'ed.

As a relatively savvy IT user, I wipe my computer quite often and rebuild it.  If I allowed DRM centric technologies to dictate what media I had a "right" to use, I would have to figure out some way (I'm sure it exists, but I have no need for it with non-DRM tech) to export my "rights' to media I "own."  Then restore the OS, software, "rights", media and so on.

Software has interesting compatibility quirks after about a 5 year window, too.  Who's to say your "rights" will translate to the next version of DRM software on your computer?

Add to that, DRM'ed music is $0.99 per song, reaching parity with a retail CD of $12 or so.

No way, Jose.

I actually dug out my old Dell Axim PDA to mess around with Gutenberg Project and the various e-books on there.  I kinda doubt I'll find the format pleasant... but if the Axim is too small then I still have my Asus eee-PC as well.

I'm fairly certain that my need for more book shelves will not be diminished any time soon, however.

And... I hope that kid sues the ever-luvin' hell out of Amazon for deleting his homework.  Who in their right mind thinks they have a right to the annotations you make in a book or the notes you make while reading a book?

Back doors into proprietary DRM-obligated formats... bleh. :rolleyes:
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 01:57:18 PM »
Somewhere in a darkened room, Harold Tuttle prepares a Two Minutes Hate Bezos photoshop. 

I laughed when I read that.

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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 02:06:41 PM »
That's why I still buy CD's rather than buying MP3's:  I want the CD so I can make my own MP3's that aren't DRM'ed.

Depends on the situation; if it's one good song on a whole disc of suck, I buy the MP3, burn it to a CDRW, then rip it back to mp3.  DRM goes away, and the tiny loss of quality won't be audible over engine noise.

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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 09:10:17 PM »
Okay, I confess --


What's a kindle? "Kindle," to me, is starting a campfire. Meaning it's a verb, not a noun.


What's DRM?
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 10:10:08 PM »
Kindle is Amazon.com's attempt to do to book reading what Apple did to music listening.  It lets you carry your entire book collection with you anywhere you go and read from any book any time you want.  Pretty handy, in theory. 

You buy a Kindle reader, a hand-held book reading machine that sorta looks like a PDA.  Then you can purchase electronic copies of books and load them into your Kindle reader, like buying songs from itunes and storing them in your ipod.  The clever part of Kindle is that you can purchase and download new books any time the Kindle has a wireless connection to the web.  You can even use it to subscribe to newspapers and magazines and such, and it'll automatically grab the latest edition whenever it finds a hot connection.

Well, apparently there's a "feature" in the Kindle system that allows Amazon to automatically remove titles from your Kindle as well as add them.  They mistakenly used this "feature" to delete 1984 and Animal House from everyone's Kindles.  Oops.

"DRM" is digital rights management, a catch-all term for technologies that attempt to allow people to purchase digital media files and enforce the copyright rules so that only legal owners are able to use the digital files.  The gist is that if you buy a song on iTunes, you're the only person who can play the song using that file, anyone else who gets a copy of the file will be stymied.  Likewise for a book title purchased through Kindle, it'll only work on your Kindle machine, and anyone you give the file to will not be able to use it. 

DRM tends to cause more problems than it solves.  It can sometimes prevent people from transferring legally owned files to other computers (or ipods, or kindles...) when they replace or upgrade hardware.  And there have been instances where people purchase large quantities of copyrighted material, then through a technical glitch or oversight of some sort, they find themselves locked out and unable to use the files they paid for.
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 12:03:30 AM »
You buy a Kindle reader, a hand-held book reading machine that sorta looks like a PDA.  Then you can purchase electronic copies of books and load them into your Kindle reader, like buying songs from itunes and storing them in your ipod.  The clever part of Kindle is that you can purchase and download new books any time the Kindle has a wireless connection to the web.  You can even use it to subscribe to newspapers and magazines and such, and it'll automatically grab the latest edition whenever it finds a hot connection.
Specifically, Kindle uses a cellular connection. It doesn't work with your wireless network like a laptop would. That's part of why I find it unappealing.

They mistakenly used this "feature" to delete 1984 and Animal House from everyone's Kindles.  Oops.
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 01:31:13 AM »
White Horseradish, why do you object to Kindle's use of a cellular connection to download the books?
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2009, 04:06:21 AM »
Disclaimer--I don't own a Kindle.  My dad has one of the first batch of the original ones.

I'd personally prefer WiFi as at least an option for three reasons--one, it's faster.  Two, if I remember right, the Kindle uses Sprint, which isn't exactly known for reliability and having great reception everywhere.  The last time I used it we were both in NYC, and I could barely get reception in his hotel.  Mind you, our Verizon phones both had full bars, but the Kindle had to be right next to the window to even try to connect.  Third, and this is admittedly pretty user specific, you can find WiFi anywhere in the world.  My dad's company is in Montreal and many of their clients are in Europe, and even though they've all got WiFi (not to mention the bars, coffee shops, hotels, and airports), his Kindle's dead to the net until he gets back to the states.

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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2009, 12:58:24 PM »
You can also download a book to your computer, and from there to the Kindle.  It's not as good as WiFi obviously, but it does prevent your Kindle from being out of action when the cell network isn't an option.


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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2009, 03:24:47 PM »
White Horseradish, why do you object to Kindle's use of a cellular connection to download the books?
Because it locks me into a single network and makes me dependent on the whim of Amazon and the cellular provider.  With a Wi-Fi connection I can control it better.  Vodka7 makes some good points.

I also have the feeling that it is at least part of the cost and a Wi-Fi version would be cheaper, but that's just a guess. 
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 03:52:24 PM »
"DRM" is digital rights management, a catch-all term for technologies that attempt to allow people to purchase digital media files and enforce the copyright rules so that only legal owners are able to use the digital files.  The gist is that if you buy a song on iTunes, you're the only person who can play the song using that file, anyone else who gets a copy of the file will be stymied.  Likewise for a book title purchased through Kindle, it'll only work on your Kindle machine, and anyone you give the file to will not be able to use it. 

DRM tends to cause more problems than it solves.  It can sometimes prevent people from transferring legally owned files to other computers (or ipods, or kindles...) when they replace or upgrade hardware.  And there have been instances where people purchase large quantities of copyrighted material, then through a technical glitch or oversight of some sort, they find themselves locked out and unable to use the files they paid for.

The other most worrisome part is that the company running the authentication server?  It's not written in stone that it will be in existance tomorrow.  Amazon goes out of business (or just out of the eBook business) tomorrow, you are SOL.  Folks who paid for DRM'd MP3's learned that when a bunch of the legitimate services went under. 
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 04:32:46 PM »
Well, apparently there's a "feature" in the Kindle system that allows Amazon to automatically remove titles from your Kindle as well as add them. 
What little - and I do mean little - interest I had in the Kindle was just killed, deader than dead, by this . . . garbage.
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2009, 04:47:20 PM »
What little - and I do mean little - interest I had in the Kindle was just killed, deader than dead, by this . . . garbage.
Personally I couldn't see the point of it. Does one really NEED to carry the whole bloody library with you? ??? . Besides, how is the "reading experience"? Reading a book on an ordinary computer screen sucks. Is the Kindle better than this? Equal to/equally bad? Worse?
Bah, one or two paperbacks is always in my backpack when I'm going somewhere.
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2009, 04:55:00 PM »
Personally I couldn't see the point of it. Does one really NEED to carry the whole bloody library with you? ??? .

Yes.

I have an HP Mini, with a built in cell modem.  I have it loaded with all my eBooks and various reference material.  You'd be surprised at how handy it can be at times.  It's not the fasted, but I like it. 



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Besides, how is the "reading experience"? Reading a book on an ordinary computer screen sucks. Is the Kindle better than this? Equal to/equally bad? Worse?
Bah, one or two paperbacks is always in my backpack when I'm going somewhere.

Reading for pleasure?  Ehhh.   I prefer the dead tree version.  OTOH, having a couple hundred books at my disposal is nice at times.  It better than nothing if you're suddenly bored.  I'm starting to put more educational stuff on the netbook, so I can do my learning on the go.
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2009, 05:11:02 PM »
Personally I couldn't see the point of it. Does one really NEED to carry the whole bloody library with you? ??? . Besides, how is the "reading experience"? Reading a book on an ordinary computer screen sucks. Is the Kindle better than this? Equal to/equally bad? Worse?
Bah, one or two paperbacks is always in my backpack when I'm going somewhere.

I think the advantage of the Kindle is being able to access books on the go.  Browse the store, buy a book, all while sitting on your duff in the terminal, on the bus, whatever.
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Re: Amazon Blunder -- Too Funny (Unless You Own a Kindle)
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2009, 05:14:09 PM »
>so I can do my learning on the go<

Wait a second... you can be taught? when did THAT happen?
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