Here's the Health Care Bill

[Ben]

For the masochists among you, a link to the full current health care bill. At least they left it searchable this time.  :rolleyes:

http://health.burgess.house.gov/UploadedFiles/House_HCR_bill.pdf

[Boomhauer]

Holy mother of god, very nearly 2000 pages.

We. Are. Boned.

[FTA84]

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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/30/behind-the-house-democrats-1990-page-health-care-b/

[Balog]

From csd's link...

They include looking at geographic disparities in Medicare, whether more services need to be provided for those who don't speak English and the undercapitalization of nursing homes.

Tell us again how it won't cover illegals Obama... 

[Nitrogen]

From csd's link...

Tell us again how it won't cover illegals Obama... 

Uh, there are people here legally who don't speak english, you know.

[HankB]

Uh, there are people here legally who don't speak english, you know.

That's right - after all, ballots in Spanish aren't just meant to enable illegal aliens to vote, you know.

[dogmush]

Or from the bottom of the link:

It would mean 36 million more people would be covered than the status quo by 2019, and leave about 18 million without insurance. One-third of those left uncovered would be illegal immigrants

So there will be about 6 million uncovered Illegal Immigrants?  Can we assume the rest will be covered?

[Nitrogen]

Or from the bottom of the link:

So there will be about 6 million uncovered Illegal Immigrants?  Can we assume the rest will be covered?

Strangely enough, last I heard there was a provision specifically banning the coverage of illegal immigrants.  I wonder when that provision was removed?

[HankB]

Strangely enough, last I heard there was a provision specifically banning the coverage of illegal immigrants.  I wonder when that provision was removed?

I heard the provision was there, but the enforcement mechanisms were deliberately left out. 

[Ben]

I heard the provision was there, but the enforcement mechanisms were deliberately left out. 

[Barney Frank sacrasm] The document is only ~2000 pages. If you voters are too lazy to look through it and confirm this, that's your problem. [/Barney Frank sarcasm]

[Monkeyleg]

Strangely enough, last I heard there was a provision specifically banning the coverage of illegal immigrants.  I wonder when that provision was removed?

There's a provision in the bill that prevents those in this country illegally from getting vouchers. However, there's nothing else in the bill preventing illegal aliens from leeching off the system. The voucher provision is there so the bill's supporters can claim illegals aren't covered.

[roo_ster]

Also, 2000 pages is just the tip of the iceberg. 

Do a word search for "regulation" and similar terms.  Pretty much wherever hat appears, some executive branch bureaucrat will draft another 2000 pages of regs to implement the congresscritter's verbiage.

[SADShooter]

Today's Day by Day is sadly hilarious.

[AZRedhawk44]

The word "Doctor" is only in there 4 times.

4 times in 2000 pages of legislation about medical care.

And it's not even really the word doctor.

"doctoral degree" page 706.

"doctor's degree" page 710.

"predoctoral and postdoctoral training" page 1242.

[longeyes]

Every age has its epic poem.  This is ours: The Pelosiad.  It's not art, but it's ours.

The good news is that the monster we've been creating has a fatal disease.  It's very unlikely this system is not going to unravel, from both external and internal pressures, in the coming years (and that could be only a few). 

I liken the entire process to waking up one morning and learning that your spouse of forty years has been systematically poisoning you.  We are now going through the continuum of feelings that accompany such a discovery.  First disbelief and confusion, then hurt, then slowly building anger...

[MechAg94]

I heard the bill had income verification provisions, but no ID provisions which opens it up for illegal aliens.

I also heard that is basically outlaws the sale of private health insurance after 3 or 4 years.

[longeyes]

Everything we thought or hoped was gone is BACK IN.  Welcome to the realm of the Undead (and death panels).

[Nitrogen]

(and death panels).

You're kidding, right?

[Marnoot]

(and death panels)

This section would seem to possibly preclude death panels:

(3) LIMITATIONS.—In conducting its duties  
under this subsection, the Center for Quality Im-
provement shall not develop quality-adjusted life  
year measures or any other methodologies that can  
be used to deny benefits to a beneficiary against the  
beneficiary’s wishes on the basis of the beneficiary’s  
age, life expectancy, present or predicted disability,  
or expected quality of life.

Regardless, I'm 100% against the whole "plan."

[Monkeyleg]

This section would seem to possibly preclude death panels

Without rationing, the system will go broke in 6 months. It seems like they've inserted language in the bill to rebut every objection, but somehow the rest of the bill negates the language they insert.

[Ben]

Don't know if it's merely coincidence, but  I got a notice from our Federal health insurance rep today that Anthem Blue Cross is canceling services in several CA counties (fortunately not the one I'm in) and employees in those counties have to start looking for a new health insurance provider.

Edited to say health insurance provider, not health care provider. Duh.

[MechAg94]

Without rationing, the system will go broke in 6 months. It seems like they've inserted language in the bill to rebut every objection, but somehow the rest of the bill negates the language they insert.

That wouldn't surprise me.  At over 2000 pages, there could be just about anything in there. 

[sanglant]

well, at least now we know what those ten thousand monkeys with ten thousand typewriters would type now if only a fight would break out in the congress building throwing the other um stuff at the very least we would be entertained for a day 

[Perd Hapley]

well, at least now we know what those ten thousand monkeys with ten thousand typewriters would type

RACIST!   

death panels are back in

You're kidding, right?

Why shouldn't they be back in?  They were there before.