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Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« on: November 02, 2009, 12:13:04 PM »
I serviced the Vic's tranny over the weekend.  Not my favorite task but it needed to be done because it had developed the dreaded torque converter shudder endemic to the 4R70W.  (For reference, torque converter shudder is a feeling like running over the "Hey, wake up!" stutter strips on the side of the road as the tranny shifts into third or OD).  A complete flush with fresh fluid and a bottle of LubeGuard fixed that. Thank goodness, too.  If the flush and friction modifier hadn't done the trick would have been a new torque converter. Joy.

One saving grace was a suggestion by the folks over at CrownVic.net to use the tranny cooler lines as a way to drain the pan.  Worked like a champ.  Rig up the catch system (a 3" piece of 3/8 copper tubing, a few feet of 3/8" hose, and a five gallon bucket), start the car, and twenty or thirty seconds later most all of the fluid that was in the pan is now in the drain bucket.  Now you can drop the pan without taking an ATF shower.  Yay!

But I can't leave well enough alone.  There's also a popular mod for the 4R70W called the Jerry mod (so named because it was developed by a guy named... Jerry). 

The 4R70W is electronically controlled, up to and including line pressure.  Some adventurous souls will dial up the line pressure by adjusting the internal regular. DO NOT DO THIS.  Guys who run these trannies hard, and who actually know what they're doing, say that jacking up the line pressure is one of the best ways to kill one.  The 4R70W is very sensitive to overpressure and will die in short order.  Jerry, adventurous soul that he is, and tranny guy extraordinaire, figures, “Hey, I can’t change pressure, but what about volume?”.  Turns out he was on to something.  By enlarging certain holes in the valve body separator plate and changing accumulator piston dynamics (i.e. removing springs) you can safely dial in better shifts.

I did the mod last night.  Glad I did.  The Vic no longer granny shifts, slooping and slurping into gear in an attempt to be velvety-smooth.  Now it shifts like it should.  The beauty part?  Being electronically controlled the line pressure varies with throttle.  Part throttle shifts are just firm enough to notice while full throttle shifting is nice and positive.  The part throttle shift, while definitely more firm, is only enough for me to know there’s a different from before.  Someone who’d never driven the car would probably not even notice.  Full throttle shifts are firm without being hard or harsh.  Just a nice, fast, firm ‘bump’ in the backside to let you know that, yes, you are in another gear.  Hopefully the reduced slippage will also result in a few extra thou of clutch life.  The further I can stave off a $1800 tranny rebuild, the better.

I’ve heard about the mod for years, wanting to do it but never being real jazzed about tearing into the tranny (especially the valve body).  My concerns were unfounded. Couldn’t have been easier.  A few basic tools, some good jackstands, and plenty of patience are all that’s needed.  Wish I’d done it the moment the warranty expired.

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 12:16:39 PM »
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One saving grace was a suggestion by the folks over at CrownVic.net to use the tranny cooler lines as a way to drain the pan.  Worked like a champ.  Rig up the catch system (a 3" piece of 3/8 copper tubing, a few feet of 3/8" hose, and a five gallon bucket), start the car, and twenty or thirty seconds later most all of the fluid that was in the pan is now in the drain bucket.  Now you can drop the pan without taking an ATF shower.  Yay!

That's the only way to go on changing the fluid.



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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 12:23:36 PM »
That sounds like a neat trick. 


When I saw the title of this thread, I first thought you were going to tell us something about one of our esteemed moderators.   :lol:
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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 12:27:39 PM »
That sounds like a neat trick. 


When I saw the title of this thread, I first thought you were going to tell us something about one of our esteemed moderators.   :lol:

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought that...
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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 12:57:26 PM »
That sounds like a neat trick. 


When I saw the title of this thread, I first thought you were going to tell us something about one of our esteemed moderators.   :lol:

I doubt they'd enjoy having their seperator plate drilled (Maybe.  Sometimes I'm not so sure... =D ).

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 01:08:12 PM »
Interesting story and all, but THANK YOU! Finally a decent CV forum. I needed to find people to ask a few questions about fixing things, and just searching on the forums negated even that.  =D
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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 03:23:41 PM »
Wait until you see what some of the more, ummm... die-hard Vic owners have done to their poor cars.  Lightning engines, 460-based strokers, five- and six-speed tranny conversions, DOHC cammer swaps, etc.  Heck, some of those guys are running around in Vics that are little more than race cars with license plates.  There's a guy named A-Train over at Blue Oval forums who specialized in "add power 'til it breaks, fix it, then add power 'til it breaks."

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 07:33:43 PM »
I was worried for this thread after reading the title....   :O
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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 07:58:14 PM »
Well, there are those pics of Brad in FM Red high heels.

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 08:19:37 PM »
What has been seen, cannot be unseen. :O =D

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 08:20:37 PM »
Snicker.

Tranny Mods.

Snicker.  :lol:
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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 10:12:05 PM »
Snicker.

Tranny Mods.

Snicker.  :lol:

As the innocent party in this thread, I see the error of my linquistic ways in the OP title.

Bunch'a pervs... =D

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 10:20:56 PM »
Snicker.

Tranny Mods.

Snicker.  :lol:

Yeah, but will we get routine service from them?

Be sure to tell the person that you sell the car to that you Jerry rigged the transmission.


Actually it is kind of sad that most transmissions(and other parts) are suboptimal from the factory. When I rebuilt my F150 tranny I put in a shift kit that also involved more volume modifications. I also installed a cooler. Between the two, the sorry Ford slush box is a lot less active in trying to eat itself.

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 12:37:53 AM »
  Jerry, adventurous soul that he is, and tranny guy extraordinaire, figures, “Hey, I can’t change pressure, but what about volume?”.  Turns out he was on to something.  By enlarging certain holes in the valve body separator plate and changing accumulator piston dynamics (i.e. removing springs) you can safely dial in...

Yeah, well there's a reason he knew to do that. Seems that Jerry was an engineer that worked on the 4R70 team, perhaps even the team leader I don't remember exactly. What I do remember is that the "Jerry mod" is nothing more than what he wanted to trans to be like until overruled by the marketing types who thought it too harsh, and damn the durability reduction. He's also mentioned an item or two over the years that got changed by beancounters to cut costs and they're part of the upgrade "package", as it were, if you're ever having to go in one.


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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 12:44:19 AM »
If you don't drop the pan how do you add a a drain plug or change the filter? It was the first thing I did when I purchased a 1992 Chevy Cheyenne w/ 94k miles last year. I figured the one time expense plus my labor would make for an easy ATF drain and fill every while extending the life of the AT as long as possible.

I used to drive a 1994 Town car. It went 236k on the original engine and transmission. The engine would smoke on heavy throttle but it ran like new. I sold it for $200 when the entire brake system rotted out but regretted it immediately when the replacement vehicle, a 1994 Dodge Dakota, crapped it's transmission within days of purchase. The owner sold it to me with a smile and a cracked transmission housing that had been sealed over. It began leaking a quart of fluid every few miles and was sold at a total loss, including the new tires that were just mounted.

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 02:27:40 AM »
That sounds like a neat trick. 


When I saw the title of this thread, I first thought you were going to tell us something about one of our esteemed moderators.   :lol:

my first thought too!
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 07:47:19 AM »
Well, there are those pics of Brad in FM Red high heels.

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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 04:13:12 PM »
Snicker.

Tranny Mods.

Snicker.  :lol:

What, another thread about that Wachowski Brother?
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2009, 08:20:05 AM »
What, another thread about that Wachowski Brother?


No, that was a stick shift.
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Re: Routine service. Tranny mods. that kind of stuff...
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2009, 09:57:45 AM »
Cool mod!

I use to be all over crown vic.net lurking back when I had an 89 Vic; those guys really know the cars inside and out.