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Question for the intertubes gurus...
« on: April 17, 2010, 08:31:02 AM »
How does a website address rise on the google list? I thought it was determined by the number of hits it generated in comparison to other things that pop up in regards to the same search. This website guy I just met with says it has more to do with age (older than 3 months is key?) and the number of times your keywords are used in the text. Like using the same keyword 3 times in the text is better than using it once.

Anyone want to elaborate on this?

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Re: Question for the intertubes gurus...
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 08:38:55 AM »
There's tons of factors that are involved in Google's ranking algorithm. Age of the site is an important factor. Traffic to the site is also important, as are keyword density (number of times a word is used on a page as a percentage of all words on the page), meta description tags, <h1> and <h2> tags, title tags, links from other websites to the page (very important), alternate text for images, relevance of the page topic to the rest of the site, size of the page (Kilobytes)...I think you get the idea.

Nobody I know has found the secret combination that gets good rankings. I've seen old low-traffic sites with no inbound links outrank newer sites with incredible traffic and thousands of links, and vice versa.

If someone actually knew with certainty what it took to get to the top in Google, he or she would be a multi-millionaire. Maybe even a billionaire.

Here's an example. Back in 2001 I did a website for a friend's gun store. I got it to the #3 spot on Google for the phrase "Kimber pistols." In nearly nine years it hasn't moved from that spot while the other sites above it come and go. Their site hasn't changed in years, and there's almost no links to it. The only thing it has going for it is age. The #2 spot has changed often.

It's a constant battle to even stay on the first page, and requires getting more links to the page, adding content to make the page "fresh," etc. By every measure that I've read about, the Shooters Shop shouldn't be at #3, but it is. Go figure.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 08:45:25 AM by Monkeyleg »

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Re: Question for the intertubes gurus...
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 09:15:22 AM »
Iggerent kwestchun deleted pending further discussion which might clarify it for me.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 09:22:39 AM by 230RN »
WHATEVER YOUR DEFINITION OF "INFRINGE " IS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

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Re: Question for the intertubes gurus...
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 09:25:08 AM »
Alternate text is for the visually-impaired. When they're using devices that let them read websites, they'll get a blank on images, so the use of alternate text within the image tag is encouraged. An example would be <img src="50104.jpg" alt="Mossberg 835 shotgun model 50104 product photo" width="720" height="146"> , where "alt" is the alternate text.

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Re: Question for the intertubes gurus...
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 09:52:21 AM »
^ Thanks.  You saw my question before I deleted it.  Your explanation is much more clear than that which I could pull up from Gargle.

I didn't want to divert the thread from "that-which-affects-google-ranks."

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Re: Question for the intertubes gurus...
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 10:36:33 AM »
So, if you type in "Marprog" you will see my site is #1 and has been for nearly a year with little traffic and no changes. Is there any way to make this pay for me? I am btw working on updating it to a "Marprog 010" page and archiving the present page so I intend to continue to use the address but if there were a way to increase my revenue with this apparent anomaly I'd be all "ears".
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Re: Question for the intertubes gurus...
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 04:23:15 PM »
Alternate text is for the visually-impaired. When they're using devices that let them read websites, they'll get a blank on images, so the use of alternate text within the image tag is encouraged. An example would be <img src="50104.jpg" alt="Mossberg 835 shotgun model 50104 product photo" width="720" height="146"> , where "alt" is the alternate text.

And text-only web browsers. . .
And image search engines. . .
And just for creating a more descriptive document.
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Re: Question for the intertubes gurus...
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 06:40:11 PM »
280plus, what's your site about? Is there any way to get more visitors? Is there more content you can add that people will want to view/read? Traffic=money.

CNYCacher, thanks for adding those. I seem to recall that alt tags started for use with text-only browsers, but Google favored them for the visually-impaired.