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Re: Civil War History buffs needed
« Reply #100 on: April 21, 2010, 01:11:32 PM »
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Does that math apply across time & space, or is it reserved solely for those in America who owned slaves?

This applies across time and space. Although I'm loathe to adjust it to cultures who lived in a time where the concept of individual liberty as a moral/political value was not yet fully introduced.

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Because 99% of humans that ever lived are scum under your definition. 

Really? At least 60% of the people living in 1860's South weren't slaveowners. Being how they were themselves slaves.

Besides, given population growth, there's quite possibly more people living today and not actually owning any slaves than all the people who lived in the 19th century, combined.

There are as many as 28.4 million people living in slavery today in the world. (including all forms of forced labor and debt bondage. Actual people-buying-people is only part of this phenomenon.) Assuming one slave per owner , this leaves a population of 6,790,0000,000 people who do not own slaves.

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Re: Civil War History buffs needed
« Reply #101 on: April 21, 2010, 01:37:29 PM »
Am I to understand that y'all think SC would still have slavery today if not for the Northern intervention?

I don't know, and haven't said so.  You seem to think not.  Why?


 
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I don't understand ... I said that SC would not have ended slavery and made everyone political equals with a snap of the fingers but that it would have taken time to phase it out, and you say that doesn't get off the starting blocks?  You may as well say that we must let six year olds vote so that we don't put the state above the individual. That is how ignorant that class of people was back then.

It doesn't get off the starting blocks for two main reasons:

It doesn't explain why or how slavery would have ended.

It leaves millions of human beings in slavery until their betters get around to deciding to free them.  (I don't how many slaves there were in South Carolina, but I'm speaking of the U.S. as a whole.)

Honestly, I don't see any nice way that slavery could have ended.  A crime that huge has unpleasant consequences that can't be dodged.  There was probably a better way of dealing with it than secession and war, but you don't seem to have found one. 


As for the comparison to six-year-olds, I will not give such a ludicrous comparison the dignity of a refutation. 


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Re: Civil War History buffs needed
« Reply #102 on: April 22, 2010, 09:21:02 PM »
http://valley.lib.virginia.edu/

The above site should be educational for all of us.  It's a collection of documents (newspapers, letters, .gov .docs) from two counties, one in the North, one in the South. 
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Re: Civil War History buffs needed
« Reply #103 on: April 22, 2010, 09:25:51 PM »
http://valley.lib.virginia.edu/

The above site should be educational for all of us.  It's a collection of documents (newspapers, letters, .gov .docs) from two counties, one in the North, one in the South.  
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ETA:
I really wish they had the April & May issues of the VA papers. I'd like to see what the southern take was on Lee's surrender/Lincoln's assassination.
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Re: Civil War History buffs needed
« Reply #104 on: April 22, 2010, 10:26:12 PM »
Can't help you with that, but I do have this:


Valley Spirit: July 6, 1859  (Franklin County, PA)

The Fourth


    --The Eighty-Third Anniversary of our National Independence passed off, in this place, very quietly, and without any demonstration of a general character.

    The Sunday Schools, with the exception of the Lutheran and Presbyterian, had their usual pic-nics, and the small fry their accustomed amount of jolification.

    The German Reformed School celebrated in Lehmans Woods and under the excellent arrangement of their Committee, of which Mr. Mathew Gillan was chairman, every thing was done up in admirable style. The Declaration of Independence was read by Wm. Heyser Esq., and eloquent and patriotic addresses delivered by Chas. G. Fisher, Geo. Stenger and Rev. Bauseman. At this celebration all passed off very pleasantly and the children seemed to enjoy themselves in a happy and delightful manner.

    The Methodist School held their jolification in Shetters Woods, where they passed the day in pleasant and agreeable festivity. This celebration was largely attended by the children of other schools and by our citizens old and young generally. The Declaration was read in a very happy manner by Clay McCauley, and Hon. Wilson Reilly, I. H. McCauley and W. S. Everett Esqrs. made respectively, very able and appropriate addresses, which were well received and added much to the pleasures of the occasion.

    Our Band spent the day, by invitation, at Caledonia Springs, and had a gay old time of it all round.

    Our fine military company were out in full feather and done up some excellent firing. We never saw them look, march, or drill, better.

    In the evening we had Fire works and a Balloon ascension in the Diamond.

    We believe the day passed off to the satisfaction of all concerned and without an accident or unpleasant occurrence to mar it's enjoyment.





I'm sure what you're looking for is out there somewhere, although many a Southern newspaper was probably disrupted by the war or its aftermath. 
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