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you guys up that way know anything about this guy?
« on: May 14, 2010, 04:27:54 AM »
on the surface looks bad
wonder what his bac was if any

Gun buff charged in fatal shooting
Man filed suit over arrests for carrying firearm into stores

By Bruce Vielmetti of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: May 13, 2010 |(8) Comments

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A Milwaukee man who filed a civil rights lawsuit over his arrests for openly carrying a gun into stores has been charged with fatally shooting one man and wounding another outside his south side home over the weekend.

After the shooting, Jesus C. Gonzalez immediately called 911 to report the incident. He was wearing his empty holster as he surrendered to police when they arrived moments later, according to a criminal complaint. His gun was sitting nearby.

Gonzalez, 23, was charged Thursday with first-degree intentional homicide and attempted first-degree intentional homicide in the death of Danny John and the wounding of his nephew, Jered Corn. Gonzalez is being held at the Milwaukee County Jail on $100,000 bail, according to jail and court records.

Coincidentally, a federal judge had dismissed his civil suit Tuesday.

According to the criminal complaint:

Early Sunday, John, 29, and Corn, 21, were at Mamie's tavern at S. Shea and National avenues. They agreed to go to a friend's house near the bar. Corn began walking there, while John went to get his car parked nearby. They had agreed to meet at the friend's house.

Corn told police that as he left the parking lot he saw Gonzalez pointing a gun at him on the sidewalk. He said Gonzalez ordered him to back up, which he did for several feet before Gonzalez shot him. Corn said he recalled John's car had arrived in the parking lot, and then sped away, but he couldn't remember more. Corn was shot in the throat and paralyzed.

The complaint does not include a post-interrogation statement from Gonzalez but indicates that he called police about 12:30 a.m. to report that "I just had two individuals try to assault me when I was going outside to move my car." He tells the dispatcher that he shot out the window of a car, and one of the men fell down, but he wasn't sure whether he hit either or both of the men, and that he ran after firing the shots.

When the dispatcher asked if the men had a gun, Gonzalez replies, "I don't know what they had, but they must have thought that I was not armed."

Upon arrival, police found Gonzalez standing outside with his hands up, wearing a black nylon gun holster on his side. His 9mm semiautomatic was sitting on top of a stack of boxes inside his house, with the slide pulled back exposing the empty chamber.

Police found John lying on the sidewalk around the corner, at 3400 W. National Ave., in front of his black Honda Civic, which was idling and had gunshots to the windshield. A cell phone was outside the driver's door, ringing.

A relative told police she had been talking to John by phone around the time of the shooting when she heard him having an argument, telling someone to leave his windows alone. She said she heard the other voice say a repeated expletive and "I'm going to back up in there" before the call became muffled and then was disconnected.

Corn told police neither he nor John had guns that night and had not had an altercation with Gonzalez.

Police officials recovered seven casings they determined were likely fired from Gonzalez's gun, which his brother told police he always wears when he leaves the house.

Last year, Gonzalez filed a federal lawsuit challenging the common practice of police arresting people who openly carry holstered guns in public after his arrests on disorderly conduct charges at a Menard's in West Milwaukee in 2008 and at a Wal-Mart in Chilton in April 2009. Prosecutor declined to bring charges in both cases.

A week later, Attorney General J.B.Van Hollen issued an advisory stating that so-called open carry, by itself, was not cause for a charge of disorderly conduct, and in the year since, open carry advocates have held picnics and other public events around the state promoting the practice.

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn quickly responded to the Van Hollen advisory, saying Milwaukee officers would certainly still be questioning anyone seen openly carrying a gun in the city.

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman dismissed Gonzalez's civil rights complaint, saying police officers indeed had probable cause to arrest him in each instance, and that even if they had not, the officers had qualified immunity from claims such as the one Gonzalez had filed. He had alleged privacy and due process violations.

Adelman also rejected Gonzalez's claim that because police in West Milwaukee and Chilton held his gun for months before returning it, they violated his rights against illegal search and seizure.

His order may likely anger open carry proponents.

"No reasonable person would dispute that walking into a retail store openly carrying a firearm is highly disruptive conduct which is virtually certain to create a disturbance.

"This is so because when employees and shoppers in retail stores see a person carrying a lethal weapon, they are likely to be frightened and possibly even panicky. Many employees and shoppers are likely to think that the person with the gun is either deranged or about to commit a felony or both.

"Further, it is almost certain that someone will call the police. And when police respond to a 'man with a gun' call, they have no idea what the armed individual's intentions are. The volatility inherent in such a situation could easily lead to someone being seriously injured or killed," Adelman wrote.

In January, two men and the group Wisconsin Carry, Inc., filed another federal lawsuit, challenging a Wisconsin law that restricts open carry within 1,000 feet of a school. That case is pending before Chief U.S. District Judge Charles N. Clevert Jr.
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: you guys up that way know anything about this guy?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 06:49:10 AM »
So, the survivor is the only one making the claim that "We is good boys.  We 'uz on our way to a Bible study after witnessin' to them folks in the bar when this guy just up an' jumped us fer no reason."

If Gonzales had the presence of mind to call 911 and clear the gun immediately after the shooting, I have to doubt that he had some sudden psychotic break and gunned down a couple of total strangers.

A bit more discussion, from people who know him: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=44129

More about "good boy" Danny John: http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do;jsessionid=B5E280BFC10926801AF9DF5EA8002F09.render6?caseNo=2006CF002504&countyNo=40&cacheId=9F66C7D2F7539261286F2107E8DC076C&recordCount=3&offset=2

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They agreed to go to a friend's house near the bar. Corn began walking there, while John went to get his car parked nearby.
A bit strange, but who knows; maybe John was drunk and Corn didn't want to argue, but didn't want to ride with him either.
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Corn told police that as he left the parking lot he saw Gonzalez pointing a gun at him on the sidewalk.<SNIP>
Corn said he recalled John's car had arrived in the parking lot, and then sped away, but he couldn't remember more.
Why was John arriving at the place they were leaving?
« Last Edit: May 14, 2010, 06:59:05 AM by KD5NRH »

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Re: you guys up that way know anything about this guy?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 07:05:39 AM »
If Gonzales had the presence of mind to call 911 and clear the gun immediately after the shooting, I have to doubt that he had some sudden psychotic break and gunned down a couple of total strangers.

Da. My totally unsubstantiated first impression upon reading the account regarding the arrangement of vehicles, bullet holes in a second vehicle etc. was something along the lines of possibly one person attempting an assault/robbery/car jacking and a second standing by in an escape vehicle.


Also that crap from Adelman concerning "objective people" automatically reacting with "omg gunz, hes gunna keel us alls, calls teh poelease!" rather irritates me and is far from the common reaction I received while open carrying.

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Re: you guys up that way know anything about this guy?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 08:14:01 AM »
I really despise those 'man with a gun' disturbing the public arguements.  We've talked about it before.  Huge difference between a person with a gun in their holster, vs gun tucked in waistband, vs walking around with a gun mumbling incoherantly and growling at people.  The notion that police wouldn't ask a few followup questions is insulting.  I'd also think someone that repeatedly called the police and just said 'man with a gun at such and such' would face charges themself. 
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Re: you guys up that way know anything about this guy?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 08:42:49 AM »
Gonzales called me after his arrest for open carry a couple of years ago, and I put him in touch with the legal defense team at the NRA. He also called after that to let me know what was going on. He seemed like a level-headed guy.

He's been charged in this, which is routine in every shooting. It will be interesting to see what the investigation yields.

As for Adelman, he's a liberal loon. The only reason he's a judge is that the Republicans in the WI state legislature were trying to get a bill through, and traded the Adelman appointment for votes for the bill. He was a state representative prior to that.

One of Adelman's more laughable decisions was in a case involving a young Milwaukee woman who had shot and killed another woman for her coat. The defense lawyer--Robin Shellow--said that the shooter suffered from "urban psychosis," a malady the attorney invented. She said that it was the result of woman seeing a lot of violence as she grew up.

The jurors at the criminal trial didn't buy the "urban psychosis" defense and convicted the woman. Adelman bought the defense, though, and overturned the conviction.

I sure hope the bill the Republicans wanted passed was a really good bill, because Adelman is going to be handing down really bad decisions the rest of his life.

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Re: you guys up that way know anything about this guy?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 08:44:34 AM »
IMO, The Journal Sentinel is engaging in a hit-piece, because Mr. Gonzales did the smart thing, kept his mouth shut and has retained counsel.

The media is "mad" at him because he hasn't given out any juicy details of his side of it. Also, as the mainstream media continues to wither, there's no such thing as "investigative reporting". The JS can barely put out a paper just with press releases and public info that lands in their lap these days. (and filled with lots of big pictures, and AP filler material.)

He knows the police aren't the DA or the court. A few days in lockup while they sort it out are inconsequential.

I predict there will be some outraged story that "Man shoots two, charges dropped, why?" kind of story in the coming months.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2010, 08:50:28 AM by AJ Dual »
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Re: you guys up that way know anything about this guy?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 01:30:18 PM »
There's a staggering amount of Fail to be found in the comments. Yikes.
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