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Driver's license law - educate me
« on: June 04, 2010, 12:57:07 PM »
As I've understood it, quite a few states will let you have a driver's license at the age of 16. Now say that John lives in State A, where you can get a license at the age of 16. Is he allowed to drive in State B while still 16, where you have to be 18 to get a license?
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2010, 01:13:05 PM »
AFAIK A license is a license.  Once you get it you should be good in any state no matter what your age is.
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2010, 01:13:54 PM »
To the best of my knowledge if he has a full fledged license he's good to go in any state. Learners permits I'm not so sure on.

I believe this is supposed to be covered by the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution.
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 01:32:40 PM »
I'm pretty sure all states the age is 16 for a drivers license, a couple may be younger like 14 for South Dakota IIRC.
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 01:48:55 PM »
Wasn't there a controversy some years back about New York City not recognizing out-of-state licenses for persons under 18?
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 02:34:25 PM »
I'm pretty sure all states the age is 16 for a drivers license, a couple may be younger like 14 for South Dakota IIRC.
Several states are 17 or 18 though I believe 16 is still the general norm IIRC.

But every state I'm aware of recognizes the drivers licenses of other states regardless of the requirements on the other state. So if you got a license in one state, you're good in all 50.
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 02:37:30 PM »
Which brings us to the subject of....  anyone...?

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 03:34:35 PM »
I don't know about the law, but I do know that any sixteen or seventeen year old trying to drive in NYC on a year or so of driving experience is even more bug-nuts insane than most teenagers.  Maybe I'm prejudiced.  My family was once involved in three car accidents in the course of a one-week trip. 

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 03:46:13 PM »
I don't know about the law, but I do know that any sixteen or seventeen year old trying to drive in NYC on a year or so of driving experience is even more bug-nuts insane than most teenagers.  Maybe I'm prejudiced.  My family was once involved in three car accidents in the course of a one-week trip. 

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 03:46:43 PM »
i drove cab i dc  i won't/don't drive in nyc. i would if i absolutely had to transit through the area on the highway but would make sure i didn't even have to stop for gas in the city. last time was 15 years ago and i slipped in at 3 and out at 4 am
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 04:21:56 PM »
i drove cab i dc  i won't/don't drive in nyc. i would if i absolutely had to transit through the area on the highway but would make sure i didn't even have to stop for gas in the city. last time was 15 years ago and i slipped in at 3 and out at 4 am

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 04:42:14 PM »
i drove cab i dc  i won't/don't drive in nyc. i would if i absolutely had to transit through the area on the highway but would make sure i didn't even have to stop for gas in the city. last time was 15 years ago and i slipped in at 3 and out at 4 am

Last time I drove in NYC I took a wrong turn off the interstate and wound up following the GPS winding through surface streets like pacman.

In a 24-foot box truck.

There is an unwritten law amongst NYC drivers.  When two vehicles want to occupy the same lane, the vehicle whose front bumper is furthest forward wins.
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 05:04:58 PM »
Which brings us to the subject of....  anyone...?

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Nevah gonnah happen, at least by federal edict. If they did they'd likely have to recognize out of state gay marriages/civil unions and a number of states would rather secede first. A number of states do already recognize other states permits on their own though.

Right now "full faith and credit" means "we'll recognize what we feel like and you'll damn well be happy"
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 05:28:54 PM »
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Well, when I took my driver's test in New York in 1956 or so, it consisted of navigating a stick-shift pickup or delivery truck through Garment Distric traffic at noon using hand signals and with a Hero sandwich in one hand and a can of Hires root beer between your legs.  Cigarette in the other hand was optional, and the timbre, quality, and creativity of your hollering out the window counted 15 points on your test score.

"Hey you, it's a stop sign, not a die sign!"  earned me three points that day.

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 06:21:41 PM »
Watched another van guy out on Lon-gIsland push a jag far enough back to get out of his parking space. The jag had parked right on his bumper. Rammed it good like 3 times. I was hootin' out my window, "Yea!! That's the way you do it!"  :laugh:

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 12:34:45 AM »
As I've understood it, quite a few states will let you have a driver's license at the age of 16. Now say that John lives in State A, where you can get a license at the age of 16. Is he allowed to drive in State B while still 16, where you have to be 18 to get a license?

Pretty much, but keep in mind that we've got varying degrees of licenses here in the states.

I know my state of Michigan stopped giving 16 years olds a true driver's license some years back.  It's a bit restricted with regards to when you can be driving and the number of other teenage passengers you can have after a certain time.  Something like that.  I'm not real up to date on the details because it never affected me.

But, once you're 17 you get a full "Operators" license and you should be good to go in any other state that honors the MI "Operators" license which is all of them.

Some states will issue a license for farming purposes to kids as young as 14.  I'm quite certain those aren't recognized out of state by anybody.  Maybe two bordering states will have an agreement, like we have with CCW laws, but they'd be the exception rather than the rule.

As for myself I have a Michigan "Chauffeur" License.  It's slightly harder to get than the standard "Operators" license but not by much.  I believe this qualifies me to drive a limo or any other long (non-trailer) vehicle across the US but I never looked into it. 

And then we have the CDL (Commercial Driver's License) system that is recognized across the land.  This is what you need to drive a semi-truck, school bus, etc. over here.  And there are variants of the license too that dictate what you can drive.  A trucker can't drive a school bus and a school bus driver can't haul a load of liquid nitrogen.  It doesn't work that way unless they have all the endorsements.

Now, I said all that so I could say this:  CCW permits work pretty much the same way.  The difference is there's no nationally agreed upon gold standard for them, like we have with driver's licenses, and unlike driver's licenses there's only ONE level of CCW license per state.  So, we should fix that.  In my state (MI) I can carry in something like 37 other states with my license.  If there was a Level 2 to that license it'd be easier for the AG to work out a reciprocity deal with the other 11 states that are OK with concealed carry.  But only for those people that had the license.

Now, I know it won't be a popular opinion on this board to suggest more licensing with something that we all consider a right but it has worked out well enough for driver's licenses and I think we should try and emulate that.  It'd be nice if the federal standard was whatever your state's most common license level was but that's not likely to happen in today's political climate.

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 01:27:06 AM »
As I recall, "full faith and credit" does not apply to drivers' licenses.  Universal reciprocity among the states and territories stems from a convention held some time after WWII.  Presumably any signatory can opt out.  I suspect opting out would quickly lead Congress to say "OK, fine!  No federal highway funds for you!"
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 06:09:44 AM »
As I recall, "full faith and credit" does not apply to drivers' licenses.  Universal reciprocity among the states and territories stems from a convention held some time after WWII.  Presumably any signatory can opt out.  I suspect opting out would quickly lead Congress to say "OK, fine!  No federal highway funds for you!"

That ^ is mostly correct.  The Drivers License Agreement  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Agreement , although only signed by 3 states, is the newest version of the Drivers License Compact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Compact .  Although the original Compact was started in the late 1960s, the origin of the scheme can be traced back to the roll-out of the National Defense Highway System http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Highway_System .  Once federal dollars started rolling out for building those roads it became more amd more imperative for states to collect moving vehicle citation fines from out-of-state drivers who, up until then, were pretty much immune as their home state was not going to expend effort or money on behalf of some other state.  That situation led to a time when out-of-state drivers were hauled in front of a magistrate and given a summary trial/hearing and if they did not pay the fine on the spot (usually required to be cash money) they were thrown in jail until they either came up with the fine or served it out - usually at the rate of $1/day.

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 03:40:00 PM »
There is an unwritten law amongst NYC drivers.  When two vehicles want to occupy the same lane, the vehicle whose front bumper is furthest forward wins.

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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2010, 05:59:34 PM »
Commonly refered to as "The New York Stare".  :laugh:

Did that with a car somewhere in NY approaching a toll booth area. The Beyatch in the car refused to let me have right of way even though I was ahead and I refused her back. I ended up winning but later I noticed a little smear of paint on my fender. That's how, er, insistent each of us was wanting to be that day.  =D
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Re: Driver's license law - educate me
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2010, 07:01:13 PM »
Nevah gonnah happen, at least by federal edict. If they did they'd likely have to recognize out of state gay marriages/civil unions and a number of states would rather secede first. A number of states do already recognize other states permits on their own though.

Right now "full faith and credit" means "we'll recognize what we feel like and you'll damn well be happy"


I disagree, 5 years after McDonald ( June 2015 ) there will be nationwide reciprocity- even inn NYC! :cool:
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