Muslim-pandering prosecution of Christian evangelists flops in Dearborn

[roo_ster]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/247944/muslim-pandering-prosecution-christian-evangelists-flops-dearborn-andy-mccarthy

The Cristian evangelists who were arrested for "breaching the peace" were found not guilty.  One was, however, found guilty of hte lesser crime of failing to lick the jackboots of the officer who arrested him failing to obey a police officer’s order.


Video of the wild & crazy incitement and the flying wedge of LEOs who descended on them in the interests of public order sharia:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/06/026594.php

Also note the LEO who doesn't like to be filmed doing his job by someone who was witnessing, but not handing out the hate-filled tracts of the Gospel of John.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

be careful who you pick for poster children

[roo_ster]

be careful who you pick for poster children

Who's picking poster children?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

the folks in dearborn?  they push beyond my limit of tolerable
they are like the larouche loon in alaska  about as welcome as ants at a picnic

[gunsmith]

I like them,  Dearborn  needs to understand that we have this thing called "Rights" in the USA.
If the local gov't doesn't like that they can change the COTUS

 If the Islamic community doesn't like 3 peaceful people handing out printed info-
they can go back to the land of freedom and opportunity, the middle east.

[roo_ster]

the folks in dearborn?  they push beyond my limit of tolerable
they are like the larouche loon in alaska  about as welcome as ants at a picnic

What did they do that was intolerable, by your lights?  Or LaRouche-like?

Their exercise in free curtailed speech lasted all of three minutes before the LEOs descended on them.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

they spent quite a while there  had multiple encounters where they were "great christians"  take a look at all their nonsense

take a look at all of it and their behavior there  not just the one clip    impartial though it was

they remind me of the klan groups that need police protection.


heck  its like richard pryors "not very many white people" routine.  folk are scared  "the muslims are taking over!"  shoot those folk should get busy  have more kids keep up.

[RevDisk]

The articles indulge in a bit of exaggeration.  Enforcement of sharia law?  I wonder if the same argument would be made if Christians handed out gospels at a Hasidic event and got arrested, would said article scream of the specter of Talmudic law?  I suspect the cops thought the missionaries were intentionally trying to stir up trouble.  This happens quite often to protest groups and whatnot.  Just tag 'em, bag 'em and throw some BS charges they'll drop to something minor. 

Now, I don't particularly want any religious book to be US law.  I like my bacon and idol worship.  Should they have been arrested?  Nope.  But from the video, it's rather clear they're not very favorable towards the people they're attempting to convert (I think the process is called "witnessing", not sure why). 

My personal "WTF?" is the wave of people getting arrested for videotaping the police.  It's not right by any stretch of the imagination and I really haven't even heard of any attempt at a plausible justification.  I agree that the religious folk shouldn't be arrested or detained for handing out any material they wish. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

these particular holy rollers had a series of events at this festival.  the festival has a tent with booth/tables where anyone of any political/spiritual bent can do their thing.  their thing is to roam the islamic fest and engage in "dialogue" when asked/told to leave the private function they got ignorant(see reference to larouche loon in alaska)  its an ongoing thing with them.   if i recall right and the vid and original poster neglect to mention the town established a 2 block radius around the event to discourage "good christians" and other folk from demonstrating what good christian they are in an obnoxious manner.  theres a bunch of their video around.   god save me from some kinds of christians

[Marnoot]

if i recall right and the vid and original poster neglect to mention the town established a 2 block radius around the event to discourage "good christians" and other folk from demonstrating what good christian they are in an obnoxious manner

It's the 2-block radius I object to. They (local/state gubbermints) won't even do that for funerals of soldiers to keep out the Westboro chumps. I'm alright with some time/place/manner restrictions on protests, as in you can't block the sidewalk, can't get up in people's faces, etc. Basically things that interfere with foot & vehicle traffic, things that would fall under disorderly conduct/disturbing the peace/trespassing charges anyway. But prohibiting any protest or leaflet distrubution, etc., within a 2-block radius of an event is over the line.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

its the in your face part that got the 2 block radius. if the folks that held a funeral could pull a festival permit they could probably exclude wbc from the area specified in the permit.

these folk were allowed in till they had "does not play well with others issues"

check out all their own vid  they think they look great  i'm no fan  i like the krishnas more

[roo_ster]

It's the 2-block radius I object to. They (local/state gubbermints) won't even do that for funerals of soldiers to keep out the Westboro chumps. I'm alright with some time/place/manner restrictions on protests, as in you can't block the sidewalk, can't get up in people's faces, etc. Basically things that interfere with foot & vehicle traffic, things that would fall under disorderly conduct/disturbing the peace/trespassing charges anyway. But prohibiting any protest or leaflet distrubution, etc., within a 2-block radius of an event is over the line.

Pretty much my take on the issue.

Also, if the delicate Muslim flowers can't tolerate a little in-your-face-ism, they need to grow up.  I've had contempt for my religion shoved in my face more times than I can count and managed not to whine to the local gendarme for protection.

My personal "WTF?" is the wave of people getting arrested for videotaping the police.  It's not right by any stretch of the imagination and I really haven't even heard of any attempt at a plausible justification.  I agree that the religious folk shouldn't be arrested or detained for handing out any material they wish. 

Arresting folks with cameras is definitely fashionable with many LEOs.  If one is planningon taking video, one needs to make it a two-camera deal.  One big obvious camera and one small hidden camera to catch the guy coming up an shoving his hand inthecamea lens.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I've had contempt for my religion shoved in my face more times than I can count and managed not to whine to the local gendarme for protection.

yea did it happen at an event you were permitted for and could restrict access to?  the aplogetics could got a tble in the tent with all the other groups  didn't  went looking for confrontations and got em.  heck the cops were there as much to protect them   it only took one cop to talk to them .

[Hawkmoon]

Arresting folks with cameras is definitely fashionable with many LEOs.  If one is planningon taking video, one needs to make it a two-camera deal.  One big obvious camera and one small hidden camera to catch the guy coming up an shoving his hand inthecamea lens.

The best setup, if it's possible (and with today's technology I'm sure any junior high student could get it running in twenty minutes) would be a video camera with built-in WiFi or Bluetooth capability, so that in addition to (or instead of) recording in a memory chip the video is being streamed in real time to a remote location, where it can be safely recorded outside of the police's radius.

A second, undercover, cameraman should also be on the scene to record the harassment of cameraman #1.

[roo_ster]

I've had contempt for my religion shoved in my face more times than I can count and managed not to whine to the local gendarme for protection.

yea did it happen at an event you were permitted for and could restrict access to?  the aplogetics could got a tble in the tent with all the other groups  didn't  went looking for confrontations and got em.  heck the cops were there as much to protect them   it only took one cop to talk to them .

And they got the boot from the restricted-access venue.  IOW, so what?  If they needed police protection, the problem lies with the ones willing to inflict violence on folks for exercising speech.

Besides, this is all useless when contemplating the curtailing of free speech in a public place based on content.