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Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« on: December 14, 2010, 05:43:04 PM »
I have a few questions about the electric autos that I have never seen mentioned in the main stream media or advertisements by the manufacturers.

Do they have heaters and A/Cs?  If so, how are they powered? 
How much does the replacement batteries cost?  Hundreds or thousands of dollars?

On a cold, rainy night with heater, windshield wiper, and headlights on, how long will the battery power last?

This is just a few of the questions that need to be answered, especially along the, foggy,cold CA coast and CA mountain area. A/C is very important in the desert areas.

At least the volt has a gas engine to power the battery, so I will assume they thave heat and A/C possible from the gas engine.

http://www.newsmax.com/SciTech/CaliforniaPlugIn/2010/12/14/id/379847?s=al&promo_code=B4BF-1

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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2010, 06:02:30 PM »
All good questions.

However, if the EV has a range of say 100 miles, and most commutes or trips are 1o-20 or whatever, that leaves you with significant margin for accessories to be run.

The best answer would be to put your destination and planned route into the dashboard navigation system/GPS map etc. if recharging is available at the destination, or if round-trip would be needed, then have the car intelligently budget the battery level amongst propulsion and accessories.

On one hand EV's seem very limiting, OTOH, I CAN figure out a few ways to make electricity at home if I had to. (scrap metal windmill and a old gas-car alternator or something...) I can't exactly make gasoline myself, and even bio-diesel is dicey, and requires waste oil that if diesel use was common, I could probably not get.

Honestly, if we could just get one car of every two car family to be a pure EV, the savings would be huge, and then the second car for vacations, groceries, carrying the kids were an in-line hybrid, preferably high compression turbo-diesel, that would mean more savings.

But the market has to do it on it's own. Sham projects like the Chevy Volt will never get us there. (which I've learned might not even be an in-line hybrid, like a diesel sub, or locomotive, anymore. That it's dual-mode like the Prius and Insight, with the huge price-tag and .gov subsidy.  :P )
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2010, 09:02:43 PM »
California... Isn't that the state plagued by blackouts and brownouts? What will happen to the electric grid if EVs become popular?

I also want to know if EV batteries are affected by temperature. What happens to them in a MN winter? Will a heater be able to keep up at -10 or -15? Never heard of an EV company or EV testing in the Midwest.
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2010, 11:07:38 AM »
Electric cars will really be practical when they have an onboard nuclear generator that will go a million miles without re-fueling.  :cool:
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2010, 12:37:14 PM »
Electric cars will really be practical when they have an onboard nuclear generator that will go a million miles without re-fueling.  :cool:
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2010, 12:43:25 PM »
I finally searched 'replacement cost of Electric Vehicle battery," and found this.

http://thecarelectric.com/content/battery-replacement-costs-for-electric-cars.php

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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2010, 03:27:23 PM »
Electric cars will really be practical when they have an onboard nuclear generator that will go a million miles without re-fueling.  :cool:

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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2010, 03:29:25 PM »
California... Isn't that the state plagued by blackouts and brownouts? What will happen to the electric grid if EVs become popular?

I also want to know if EV batteries are affected by temperature. What happens to them in a MN winter? Will a heater be able to keep up at -10 or -15? Never heard of an EV company or EV testing in the Midwest.

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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2010, 03:30:53 PM »
Or a Mr. Fusion: http://backtothefuture.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._Fusion

That might be more reliable than my lightning rod ....  =|
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2010, 03:45:01 PM »
Just wait until CA realizes that EV owners aren't " . . . paying their fair share . . . " of transportation taxes, and they decide to implement a mileage-based tax system. (Say goodbye to whatever economic justification there is to owning an EV.)

I think they're already trying something of the sort in Seattle(?) because high mileage/hybrid vehicle owners are paying less gasoline tax.
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2010, 03:47:32 PM »
Just wait until CA realizes that EV owners aren't " . . . paying their fair share . . . " of transportation taxes, and they decide to implement a mileage-based tax system. (Say goodbye to whatever economic justification there is to owning an EV.)

I think they're already trying something of the sort in Seattle(?) because high mileage/hybrid vehicle owners are paying less gasoline tax.

And the mileage based system will be in addition to gasoline taxes. Governments don't ever give up taxes.
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2010, 04:14:35 PM »
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2010, 08:07:15 PM »
I've seen a couple tests on EV's (Tesla) and in both, the mileage stated by the manufacturer and the actual mileage achieved were far different. One was Top Gear where it only made 40 miles (hard driving) till it died.
The other was a test by IIRC, Car and Driver in which the tester went on a rod trip starting at full charge and he had to stop to plug in about half way back on a trip which the vehicle, as advertised, should have been able to easily complete.

The batteries just aren't there yet.
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2010, 10:47:15 PM »
From a pure performance perspective, the Tesla is badass.
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2010, 11:18:58 AM »
Silly prole, how dare you use your common sense?
Oh, and one more thing. What will the proliferation of EV do to powerplant emissions? I live about a mile from a gas burning generation plant.
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2010, 12:03:52 PM »
From a pure performance perspective, the Tesla is badass.

Indeed it is! Jeremy Clarkson was quite excited about the acceleration, just the range stank.

I would have no problem with EV's if they could actually come up with a reliable an inexpensive (relatively) power source.
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Re: Plans to bring Electric Vehicles to California
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2010, 12:13:25 PM »


I would have no problem with EV's if they could actually come up with a reliable an inexpensive (relatively) power source.

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