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More on Project Gunwalker
« on: March 17, 2011, 12:26:01 PM »
http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2976

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Hoping to score a major prosecution of Mexican drug lords, federal prosecutors and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives permitted hundreds of guns to be purchased and retained by suspected straw buyers with the expectation they might cross the border and even be used in crimes while the case was being built, according to documents and interviews.


I'm trying to wrap my mind around this.

I understand they are saying they wanted to use the straw purchases to "take down a cartel." I get the goal. I don't get the HOW.

1) Allow straw purchasers for guns to take them and give them to cartels for use in crimes
2) See where those guns turn up
3) ? ? ?
4) Take down the cartel.

HOW Do they get from seeing where the guns turn up to taking down the cartel?!?! Are there tracking devices on these guns somehow? Will they interview the gun to see whose hands it passed through before it was finally in the hands of police??

Can anyone explain to me what I'm missing here?
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Re: More on Project Gunwalker
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 12:38:49 PM »
You have the wrong focus/target.

The goal was to create momentum for another "assault weapons" ban, classifying .50USMG rifles as Title II, prohibiting private transfers, expanding the ongoing registration projects, inter alia.

ATFE/FBI/U.S. Attorneys could give a flip about the cartels.  They know that they have no jurisdiction and that the cartels cannot be controlled.  However, government can control the American public by getting the guns.

Remember this maxim of law enforcement:  do what you can, not what is ultimately effective.
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Re: More on Project Gunwalker
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 12:43:47 PM »
Quote from: El Tejon on March 17, 2011, 12:38:49 PM
You have the wrong focus/target.

The goal was to create momentum for another "assault weapons" ban, classifying .50USMG rifles as Title II, prohibiting private transfers, expanding the ongoing registration projects, inter alia.

ATFE/FBI/U.S. Attorneys could give a flip about the cartels.  They know that they have no jurisdiction and that the cartels cannot be controlled.  However, government can control the American public by getting the guns.

Remember this maxim of law enforcement:  do what you can, not what is ultimately effective.

I'm aware this was likely a political operation against America's gun owners. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, for now.

However, if you're going to have a cover story, shouldn't it make sense?
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Re: More on Project Gunwalker
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 12:55:51 PM »

Pressure continues to build in Congress while ATF and Obama stonewall. 

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Pressure mounts on ATF for ‘Gunrunner’ info, answers

   The chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has indicated in a letter sent yesterday to the acting head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that he will investigate the Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious controversies, and has requested all documents and information related to those operations by March 30.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/pressure-mounts-on-atf-for-gunrunner-info-answers

 
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Re: More on Project Gunwalker
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 12:58:11 PM »
Quote from: makattak on March 17, 2011, 12:43:47 PM
I'm aware this was likely a political operation against America's gun owners. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, for now.

However, if you're going to have a cover story, shouldn't it make sense?

Hanlon's Razor: Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

Project Gunrunner: Malice against the U.S. Gun owning public and FFL's.
Project Gunrunner's execution: Incompetence.
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Re: More on Project Gunwalker
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 06:32:38 PM »
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Pressure continues to build in Congress while ATF and Obama stonewall.

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Pressure mounts on ATF for ‘Gunrunner’ info, answers

   The chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has indicated in a letter sent yesterday to the acting head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that he will investigate the Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious controversies, and has requested all documents and information related to those operations by March 30.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/pressure-mounts-on-atf-for-gunrunner-info-answers
Darrell Issa is the mouse that roared.  I would wait to see if he acts (as opposed to simply talking) before getting excited. 
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Re: More on Project Gunwalker
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 08:18:58 PM »
Shouldn't murder charges apply to anyone involved knowingly letting these weapons go, and folks being killed by the same weapons?  I know the answer to that is that some animals are more equal.
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