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As I mentioned in an thread a couple of weeks ago, I've been with Hosting.com since early 2008. They've been really good. Then, a couple of weeks ago, they notified me that they were discontinuing VPS servers, and would raise my hosting costs for being on a VPS from $105 a month to $250. I called a guy in sales, he took a look at my file, said I should get a discount for being a loyal customer, and said he'd get a new quote to me.

He sent it last week. It was for $350 a month.

I looked at hosting companies, asked for opinions here, and settled on what many seem to feel is the best, Rackspace. The package they put together has more than Hosting.com's did, and will be $250 a month.

They have no stats program on the server. I already have a license I bought for SmarterStats, so I'm trying to install that on the new server. I worked on that yesterday from about noon until 7 pm, then got back on at 9 pm and worked on it until 3 am. I was back on at 8:30 this morning, and finally gave up at 2:30. I contacted tech support at SmarterTools.

They charge $80 for a phone call ($250 if it's for installation), so I went cheap and paid $50 to email them about my problem. It's 2:00 am in India right now, so I figure I might---and I stress the word "might"--hear back this evening. (I'm assuming tech support's in India).

I seem to recall at time when hosting services were inexpensive, weren't ala carte, and the software came installed on the servers. It's as bad as buying a law mower and having to assemble it. What's next, assemble-it-yourself houses?

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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2011, 04:49:48 PM »
I seem to recall at time when hosting services were inexpensive, weren't ala carte, and the software came installed on the servers. It's as bad as buying a law mower and having to assemble it. What's next, assemble-it-yourself houses?
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 05:11:50 PM »
It's as bad as buying a law mower and having to assemble it.

Hey, where do I get one of those? There's a few laws that need to be cut back ...
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 05:51:39 PM »
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Hey, where do I get one of those? There's a few laws that need to be cut back ...

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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 06:15:56 PM »
What's next, assemble-it-yourself houses?

Man, are you behind the times. Sears-Roebuck sold those through their catalog back in the '30s.
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 07:38:14 PM »
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Man, are you behind the times. Sears-Roebuck sold those through their catalog back in the '30s.

I know, but I don't think they sell McMansions with whirlpool spas, etc.

Anyway, you get the idea.

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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 10:28:26 AM »
What operating system is your server running?
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 12:04:42 PM »
Windows Server 2008R2 Enterprise.

I'm now into Day III of this. Trying now to get the form mail to work. The server is set up for CDOSYS, but it's not working. I'm getting 500 errors.

SmarterStats is still looking into the problem. I guess that $50 doesn't get any kind of priority status.

Once all this is out of the way, then it's time to copy over the database, test that, then move the SSL certificate, then go live and pray everything works right.

I hate changing servers.

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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 12:33:05 PM »
As I mentioned in an thread a couple of weeks ago, I've been with Hosting.com since early 2008. They've been really good. Then, a couple of weeks ago, they notified me that they were discontinuing VPS servers, and would raise my hosting costs for being on a VPS from $105 a month to $250. I called a guy in sales, he took a look at my file, said I should get a discount for being a loyal customer, and said he'd get a new quote to me.

He sent it last week. It was for $350 a month.

I looked at hosting companies, asked for opinions here, and settled on what many seem to feel is the best, Rackspace. The package they put together has more than Hosting.com's did, and will be $250 a month.

They have no stats program on the server. I already have a license I bought for SmarterStats, so I'm trying to install that on the new server. I worked on that yesterday from about noon until 7 pm, then got back on at 9 pm and worked on it until 3 am. I was back on at 8:30 this morning, and finally gave up at 2:30. I contacted tech support at SmarterTools.

They charge $80 for a phone call ($250 if it's for installation), so I went cheap and paid $50 to email them about my problem. It's 2:00 am in India right now, so I figure I might---and I stress the word "might"--hear back this evening. (I'm assuming tech support's in India).

I seem to recall at time when hosting services were inexpensive, weren't ala carte, and the software came installed on the servers. It's as bad as buying a law mower and having to assemble it. What's next, assemble-it-yourself houses?

Uhm.   WTF?  Dude, with linode, I could buy you a fleet of Linux VPS's for $250/month.  With Amazon EC2, I could buy you the equivalent of the NSA in the early 90's for that amount.  I pay $20/month and host a ton of websites.  Only drawback (which ain't for me) is you have to set up your own server.  You could find a half dozen geeks here that'd do it for free.  Hell, I still owe you one!

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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 12:39:50 PM »
Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at.  I have my own server which i could split off into a VPS for you.  I don't even pay that much.  It's freebsd though, so it'll be Apache, PHP, MySQL.  What are you doing online which requires Windows?
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 12:47:40 PM »
Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at.  I have my own server which i could split off into a VPS for you.  I don't even pay that much.  It's freebsd though, so it'll be Apache, PHP, MySQL.  What are you doing online which requires Windows?

Hell, if he absolutely needed Windows, unlikely as that is, he'd still be better off with buying a Linux/BSD/etc VPS and installing a virtual machine instance on Windows on top of the Linux VPS.

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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 01:10:39 PM »
I need Windows to run a SQL Server database. Also, I don't know how to do things on a server, so I need everything done for me. I also need 24/7 phone tech support, as I've had issues come up even at 3 am.

I was really happy with Hostmysite. $105 a month gave me two domains, two databases, techs to do things I can't, 24/7 phone support, and a bunch of other things. It seems like they changed when Hosting.com bought them out.

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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 02:52:04 PM »
I need Windows to run a SQL Server database.

SQL Server is probably the bulk of the cost.  A Standard Edition license costs something like $8k.

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 03:33:12 PM »
SQL Server is probably the bulk of the cost.  A Standard Edition license costs something like $8k.

He could just perpetually call his site "Gunshop Finder BETA", and get away with a quasi-free MSDN license for MSSQL 2k8...  =D
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2011, 01:10:32 AM »
I need Windows to run a SQL Server database. Also, I don't know how to do things on a server, so I need everything done for me. I also need 24/7 phone tech support, as I've had issues come up even at 3 am.

I was really happy with Hostmysite. $105 a month gave me two domains, two databases, techs to do things I can't, 24/7 phone support, and a bunch of other things. It seems like they changed when Hosting.com bought them out.

Do you specifically need MS-SQL?  Not SQL, period?   As there are quite a few free open source SQL servers that you can purchase support for.
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2011, 01:30:59 AM »
I need MS SQL because the database is in that format. I don't know how to change formats, so I'd have to pay someone.

I want a host with as close to 100% uptime as possible. Rackspace is supposed to be 100%. I've used hosting companies that don't have 24/7 tech support, and that can be a nightmare, especially if your website is your income.

I'm already locked into Rackspace now for the short term (few months). If it doesn't work--although I can't imagine why it wouldn't--I'll look at switching.


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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2011, 05:21:21 PM »
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The few times I had to call there tech support it was quick and in English. And I don't mean bad English.
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2011, 08:49:03 PM »

I know this is going to sound vague patronizing, but I swear I don't mean it to be.  But if your income is dependent on a website, you may want to learn the fundamentals of how everything works.  Don't have to be a master, but you should know enough to at least double check what the guys you're paying are doing.  I imagine you'd be less than happy if one of them installed a program that copied any credit card or customer data, and sent it off another party.
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Re: Blasted hosting companies, stats programs, tech support...!!!!
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2011, 11:08:12 PM »
RevDisk, I shouldn't make it sound like I'm a complete idiot, as I have learned things over the years. If someone savvy at the hosting company were to install software to capture CC numbers, though, I doubt that I'd be able to know about it. I'm assuming that it would be a knowledgeable person, not just some schmoe.

There's a lot to learn about a lot of things, and never enough time to learn as much as I'd like. Right now I'd sure like to learn how it feels to be retired, though.