Author Topic: Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"  (Read 1234 times)

Desertdog

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,360
Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"
« on: April 19, 2006, 02:36:11 PM »
There are a number of related articles about global dimming at this referenced URL.

http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GlobalWarming/globaldimming.asp

Conclusions by the authors;
Global Dimming is being caused by pollution.

Global Dimming is offsetting Global Warming.

Cleaning up pollution will dramatically increase Global Warming.


Oh, what to do, what to do.

Standing Wolf

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,978
Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2006, 06:40:49 PM »
Well, heck! As long as something is about to cause the sky to fall, we're still okay. I'd have to start worrying if the leftist extremist self-proclaimed "scientists" weren't ranting and raving about something.
No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.

m1911owner

  • friend
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 307
Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2006, 07:23:43 PM »
Hmmm... That's interesting.  I just read another article about Global Brightening:

Quote
Air trends 'amplifying' warming  
By Richard Black
Environment Correspondent, BBC News website, in Vienna  


Reduced air pollution and increased water evaporation appear to be adding to man-made global warming.

Research presented at a major European science meeting adds to other evidence that cleaner air is letting more solar energy through to the Earth's surface.

Other studies show that increased water vapour in the atmosphere is reinforcing the impact of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

Scientists suggest both trends may push temperatures higher than believed.

But they say there is an urgent need for further research, particularly at sea.

Dimming no more

Between the 1950s and 1980s, the amount of solar energy penetrating through the atmosphere to the Earth's surface appeared to be declining, by about 2% per decade.

This trend received some publicity under the term "global dimming".

These aerosols may block solar radiation directly, or help clouds to form which in turn constitute a barrier; or both effects may occur.

The lead researcher on one of those Science papers was Martin Wild from the Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science (IACETH) in Zurich, and this week he has been discussing the implications of those findings at the European Geosciences Union (EGU) annual meeting in Vienna.

Correlations and causality

The reversal of "global dimming" has been proposed in some circles as an alternative explanation for climatic change, removing the need to invoke human emissions of greenhouse gases.

Dr Wild dismissed this picture. His analysis suggests that "global dimming" and the man-made greenhouse effect may have cancelled each other out until the early 1980s, but now "global brightening" is adding to the impact of human greenhouse emissions.

"There is always this argument that maybe the whole temperature rise wasn't due to greenhouse warming but due to solar variations," he told the BBC News website.

"During the solar dimming we had really no temperature rise. And only when the solar dimming disappeared could we really see what is going on in terms of the greenhouse effect, and that is only starting in the 1980s."

Analyses of global temperature indicate that a sharp upward trend commenced in the early 1980s.

But, said Dr Wild, there are strong regional variations in the "solar brightening" trend.

"In Eastern Europe, we see a very strong recovery [in solar radiation] - almost back to what it was before dimming began," he said.

"But India continues with the dimming - that's very much thought to be due to increasing air pollution.

"The general position is that air pollution is still increasing in the tropics, but decreasing outside the tropics; so probably that will amplify warming a little bit outside the tropics but not inside."

Data deficit

There are, Dr Wild admitted, holes in the picture of change.

"The term 'global dimming' is a bit dangerous," he said. "I usually call it 'solar dimming' not 'global dimming' because we really only know about this where we have measurements; and we don't have measurements at many places, for example over the oceans, or land in the tropics."

More research facilities are needed, he said, in tropical regions, particularly sub-Saharan Africa, and especially the oceans.

As well as extending measurements of solar energy reaching the Earth's surface, he urged more research on aerosol concentrations in the atmosphere and on trends in cloud cover.
 
"We're trying to put a paper together which shows the aerosol depth and the amount of aerosol in the air column from about six to eight stations in Europe," he told the BBC News website.

"In Germany and Switzerland we would have stations very high up, extending all the way to the North Sea."

Last year Dr Philipona released research indicating that European warming is largely driven by increases in humidity.

The mechanism is that rising levels of what are conventionally called "greenhouse gases", such as carbon dioxide and methane, cause more evaporation of water, which in the atmosphere is itself a greenhouse gas.

He believes this is having more impact than changes to the transmission of solar energy through the atmosphere.

"From my results I believe it's the greenhouse warming and in particular the water vapour feedback," he said.

"Studies and papers are also coming now which are looking more closely at what water vapour is doing in other regions; and there are several pieces of work showing water vapour is increasing over land areas like the United States."

Satellites and ships

A further implication of "global brightening" is that the temperature difference between night and day may reduce.

The "blanket" of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has a net heating effect during day and night, whereas changes in solar energy reaching the surface are felt only in daytime.

Disproportionately higher night-time temperatures have already been noted in many parts of the world, and research in the Philippines has linked this trend to a reduction in rice yield.

The conclusions presented here present two major challenges to the research community.

One is to find ways of extending experimental investigations into the oceans and the developing world.

The second is to integrate them into computer models of climate, something which is only just beginning to happen.

Richard.Black-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk

280plus

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 19,131
  • Ever get that sinking feeling?
Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2006, 07:24:13 PM »
Quote
I'd have to start worrying if the leftist extremist self-proclaimed "scientists" weren't ranting and raving about something
Yea, no telling what they would be up to...
Avoid cliches like the plague!

stevelyn

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,130
Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 02:48:26 AM »
Global Dimming? Sounds like a new emerging market for grow lights.
Be careful that the toes you step on now aren't connected to the ass you have to kiss later.

Eat Moose. Wear Wolf.

grampster

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9,463
Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 04:51:32 AM »
And Algore has a new movie that portends The Appocolypse due to Global Warming.

Sigh...money and power will make people say and do anything, I guess.

PS:  I live about 35 miles inland from Lake Michigan.  Big Lake property is valuable, very valuable.  C'mon global warming.
"Never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."  G.B. Shaw

cosine

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,734
Tired of "GLOAL WARMING", here comes "GLOBAL DIMMING"
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2006, 07:13:04 AM »
Quote from: grampster
PS:  I live about 35 miles inland from Lake Michigan.  Big Lake property is valuable, very valuable.  C'mon global warming.
Hey! Not too much global warming; I only live 9 miles inland from Lake Michigan. Tongue
Andy