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Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« on: December 22, 2011, 10:06:30 AM »
Need a quick reaction answer
I want to get my folks an AR for Christmas, (my mom will be purchasing and possessing I'm just funding it)

So:
1. Best prices/where to go in SE WI (they live in Waukesha county, and I want to buy it today or tomorrow)
2. Does WI have a waiting period for long guns?
3. What paperwork is she going to need?

Looking for a pre-built, decent, non-piston AR with optics ready top rail but with stock iron sights.

If anyone has one for sale personally, PM me.

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 10:13:14 AM »
Call Starks in Prairie Du Chen

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there is also a Cabelas there, not sure if Cabelas sells ARs

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 10:18:16 AM »
1 Not Sure, I'm 1 1/2 hour drive north of there. Prairie Du Chein is 3 hours west, you can get them a lot closer, and yes Cabelas in Richfield is 1/2 hour north and has lots of AR's.You might want to have a look here. AJ to the white courtesy phone please.
2 None for long guns, we have a 48 hour wait for handguns.
3 Drivers License and fill out a 4473.
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 10:32:42 AM »
I'll check out those places.  What about shooters shop and/or fletcher?

Also, since I (VA resident) can buy out of state,
And my dad, (WI resident) can do the same,
Can I buy one for myself and leave it in WI so I have something to shoot when I'm home?
Or would that count as a de facto FTF to my dad, and if so, is that legal?
(if considered a de facto FTF, and we are residents of different states, but are both allowed to purchase long guns out of state in our respective states, is any additional paperwork needed?)

Ideally, I would like to surprise him with the gift, even if I have to retain possession and do a transfer at a later date (even if that requires additional paperwork).

Has anyone done this and have advice to keep things legal?  I want to absolutely avoid any potential infractions, including any potential of it being considered a straw purchase (which I don't believe it is, as he is legally capable of purchasing firearms in WI, as I've been there with him before at stores when he has, with full paperwork)

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 10:37:19 AM »
you can keep your gun that was legal to buy in your state in Wisconsin

I would look at some local VA deals, Remington's Bushmaster line is the market leader and Carbellas should have them
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 10:42:37 AM »
you can keep your gun that was legal to buy in your state in Wisconsin

I would look at some local VA deals, Remington's Bushmaster line is the market leader and Carbellas should have them

Awesome...perhaps a two-fer is in the works!
 In the future, just so I know, are FTF between residents of different states (as long as one is a WI resident) legal in WI for long guns?  My dad and I both look for deals all the time, and it would be nice to know we could FTF to each other when I'm up there a few times a year.

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 10:44:46 AM »
Cabela's carries a number of ARs, some of which are on sale right now.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse/shooting-centerfire-rifles-semiautomatic/_/N-1102333/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_105524280?WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat105522480

Note that Cabela's is generally not the cheapest place around, but if you join Cabela's Club (free) you'll start getting coupons that sometimes - when used in conjuction with a sale - make the price pretty decent.
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 10:47:42 AM »
you can keep your gun that was legal to buy in your state in Wisconsin

I would look at some local VA deals, Remington's Bushmaster line is the market leader and Carbellas should have them

Not anymore. Now they are made at the DPMS factory, same as the Remington R-15. If you are going to Cabelas, I'd get a S&W. If you had a little more time, I'd get a BCM® MID-16 Mod 0
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2011, 10:51:08 AM »
Awesome...perhaps a two-fer is in the works!
 In the future, just so I know, are FTF between residents of different states (as long as one is a WI resident) legal in WI for long guns?  My dad and I both look for deals all the time, and it would be nice to know we could FTF to each other when I'm up there a few times a year.

FTF is legal as long as both parties are WI residents.
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2011, 10:55:10 AM »
I've always gotten good service at Fletcher's when I went there to shoot, but I haven't looked at their selection recently. There also is a Gander Mountain right off of where Hwy 18 and I-94 cross but I'm not sure about their prices. Oh, and a Gander Mountain Gun World just opened in Germantown.

ETA: And there's also a Dunham's Discount Sports on Bluemound Rd. and Calhoun Rd. but I don't remember if they have ARs.

All those places are near Waukesha.
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 10:57:04 AM »
FTF is legal as long as both parties are WI residents.

Poop.  Oh well, FFL transfer isn't that hard.

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 10:57:54 AM »
I've always gotten good service at Fletcher's when I went there to shoot, but I haven't looked at their selection recently. There also is a Gander Mountain right off of where Hwy 18 and I-94 cross but I'm not sure about their prices. Oh, and a Gander Mountain Gun World just opened in Germantown.

Right up the street!  I'll check it out on the way to cabelas.


Thanks for all the info guys!

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 11:04:03 AM »
You might also want to check out Midwest Industries, they just recently opened up a retail store in Waukesha.
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2011, 11:27:45 AM »
Shooters Shop will have the best selection, but they'll be the most expensive. Fletchers prices used to be reasonable, but I don't know what they're like since Sean took over from his dad.

Badger's prices will likely be good, but do you want to shop there?

You might also want to call Cabelas in Richfield (262-628-5700). They seem to have decent prices. Not great, but decent.

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2011, 01:48:13 PM »
i kinda doubt "freedom group"/"remington" will not attempt to maintain Bushmasters marketshare
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2011, 02:34:35 PM »
Shooters Shop will have the best selection, but they'll be the most expensive. Fletchers prices used to be reasonable, but I don't know what they're like since Sean took over from his dad.

Badger's prices will likely be good, but do you want to shop there?

You might also want to call Cabelas in Richfield (262-628-5700). They seem to have decent prices. Not great, but decent.

Yep, what Dick said. Shooters must have a special deal where they get all the same guns, but made with Platinum parts.  :P They're literally on the street where I live in West Allis, but I'm almost never there. (Although if you like to dicker, you can TRY to say, "Look, I know the big online retailers sell that for $XXX.xx, but shipping and my FFL's fees are going to cost me an extra $50. Would you take $XXX.xx + $50 on it?" and sometimes they'll bite.)

Fletcher is more likely to have competitive prices when you factor in shipping and FFL fees for stuff bought online already on the tag. I don't know what their stock is like, they got robbed about a month or two ago...

Badger, for many/most of the same reasons Dick did when he also lived here in WI/Milwaukee, I avoid them now on general principles. And they're playing the 'FFL Shuffle' right now, where the current owner is giving his FFL up, and some other shell Co. or LLC is coming in to take over on Jan 2nd. I don't know what that means for their stock.

You might also want to check out the new Gander Mountian "Gun World" just north of Milwaukee in Germantown. Everyone says it's impressive, just to go see it, even if you don't buy anything.

However, my gut tells me that Dunham's sports might be your best bet. Dinky little gun-counter crammed in the back full of a few common Mossbergs, Remington's, and two dozen overpriced Curio & Relic milsurps from Century International Arms, no handguns... and staff that has to page a manager who barely knows what to do for a PAINFUL 4473/NICS experience...  

However, they have the Bushmaster "Optics Ready" carbine on sale most every week for $799 from Deer Season through Christmas. http://www.dunhamssports.com/weekly-circular/?id=11 (flip to page 5)

You won't do better than $750 online on that AR, and after shipping and FFL transfer, it would be maybe $780 going the online route, so that's about as good as it gets unless you go to something even cheaper, and less trustworthy, like an Olympic Arms "plinker", or wait patiently for CMMG parts-bin rifle etc.
or a sale on their cosmetic blemish stuff that's still 100% reliable.

Unfortunately, the Milwaukee Metro isn't a really great "gun shopping town". Your best opportunites are actually the big-box stores many places have, and a small selection of gun shops.

I'll check out those places.  What about shooters shop and/or fletcher?

Also, since I (VA resident) can buy out of state,
And my dad, (WI resident) can do the same,
Can I buy one for myself and leave it in WI so I have something to shoot when I'm home?
Or would that count as a de facto FTF to my dad, and if so, is that legal?
(if considered a de facto FTF, and we are residents of different states, but are both allowed to purchase long guns out of state in our respective states, is any additional paperwork needed?)

Ideally, I would like to surprise him with the gift, even if I have to retain possession and do a transfer at a later date (even if that requires additional paperwork).

Has anyone done this and have advice to keep things legal?  I want to absolutely avoid any potential infractions, including any potential of it being considered a straw purchase (which I don't believe it is, as he is legally capable of purchasing firearms in WI, as I've been there with him before at stores when he has, with full paperwork)

In WI, long-guns are cash and carry after a call to the NICS line.

It's not a straw purchase if it's a gift. However even the good gun stores will often give you guff or refuse to do that kind of thing. They're all so scared and paranoid about it these days.

IIRC, you can only buy long-guns if you live in an adjoining state/

As others said FTF is completely legal and unregulated in WI, but you must both be WI residents.

You could buy it, have it sent to an FFL here, and have your dad pick it up and fill out the 4473. I have a kitchen table guy I use and he's only $25 for long-guns, and $25 plus $10 for the WI handgun background check fee, with a two-day wait. He's extremely friendly, clean-cut etc. Is a real-estate agent on the side, and even has is SOT and deals in NFA stuff too. If you just want to get an AR  from someplace like Cheaper Than Dirt, and have it sent to him, then drive your dad over there without telling him why as the "surprise" that could be fun.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ffldealers/FFLDealerDetails.aspx?sid=42875

He's on file with most all of the big online places. If you give him a call, and tell him what you're trying to do, he'd understand and should be perfectly happy to help.
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2011, 02:45:06 PM »
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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2011, 06:50:04 PM »
Thanks for all the info, ended up with a M&P15 from cabelas, magpul accoutrements (stock, handguard, and flip-up rear) I tossed in 300rnds, a bunch of cleaning stuff, a "tacticool" vertical grip and bag, and 3 more pmags. 
$999 on sale from $1199...yeah, not the best price, but within $100-150, and I'm impatient.

Gave me no gruff whatsoever, mom did the paperwork, even said it was a gift, I paid, easy-peasy

Staff was quick and efficient, no upsell or anything...which was weird, especially for a big box store.

I have a decent sig mini-reddot I'm not using, so I'm gonna give him that and the rail riser for his birthday in April.

Thanks everyone for all the good info!

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Re: Buying an AR in SE Wisconsin
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2011, 07:36:04 PM »

Staff was quick and efficient, no upsell or anything...which was weird, especially for a big box store.

That is one thing I have liked about going to Cabelas is that no one pushes an upsale. Sportsman Warehouse is pretty much the same way.

I recommend Starks because I bought my last used shotgun from them and they were great (and best price around), plus its a place where you could buy guns, booze and cigarettes (also cheese) on the same purchase. Of course I forgot to do that at the time, wife does want a shotgun of her own so I may make the trifecta purchase sometime soon.

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