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Tiller fail
« on: June 10, 2012, 08:42:23 PM »
Finally got the last piece of the puzzle in place to hook a Yanmar RS1200 tiller to my BX2230 Kubota.  It turns out all the naysayers were correct in all particulars.  Epic fail.  This tiller was originally designed as a 2-pt attachment.  This one had the trailing carriage sawn off, and a third (top) attachment point crudely, and ineffectively added.  The top link is so close to the same height as the two lower links that it provides insufficient stabilization, and the whole damned thing rotates.

If I had just gotten my trusty old 5horse front tine thrasher going, I'd have sweated no more, cussed a LOT less, and saved $ and aggravation.  Now I'm to decide whether to get off the bucks for a new tiller attachment.  Probably wait for next season.   Grrrrrr.
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2012, 10:50:36 PM »
I run a 50" PTO tiller behind my Kioti CK20S. I would hate to go back to gardening with out it.
How hard would it be to fab up a properly dimensioned 3 pt. attachment on the tiller? After looking at a few pics on the web it looks do-able to me, the only expensive part would be a proper PTO shaft to drive it. 
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2012, 11:10:23 PM »
And here I thought this thread was about problems steering your sailboat  :facepalm:
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2012, 11:15:58 PM »
And here I thought this thread was about problems steering your sailboat  :facepalm:

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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 11:29:12 PM »
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We have naughty-cal minds  :lol:
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2012, 08:30:09 AM »
And here I thought this thread was about problems steering your sailboat  :facepalm:

or an outboard tiller handle snapped off
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2012, 09:49:17 AM »
RKL, I have no fabbing skills or tools.  The tines are a bit worn on this one, and all new ones will cost several hundred.  I got the tiller thrown in on the deal for the li'l tractor, and spent $100 for a new drive shaft shortened (twice, damnit) to fit.  I'm afraid of throwing bad money after good.  If the idea still seems reasonable next February or so, I will spring for a new King Kutter XB tiller.  Who knows, maybe the Zombie Apocalypse will occur before then.
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2012, 10:59:08 AM »
And here I thought this thread was about problems steering your sailboat  :facepalm:

Ditto.


But I am interested in hearing more about the best way to till up an acre or so garden. Regular old walk-behind tiller or some sort of plow attachment for a yard tractor/lawn mower, or both? I haven't looked at anything like this in 20+ years and have no idea what folks are doing these days. Given my size and strength, I'd prefer the least brutal method.  ;)
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2012, 11:23:30 AM »
Ditto.


But I am interested in hearing more about the best way to till up an acre or so garden. Regular old walk-behind tiller or some sort of plow attachment for a yard tractor/lawn mower, or both? I haven't looked at anything like this in 20+ years and have no idea what folks are doing these days. Given my size and strength, I'd prefer the least brutal method.  ;)

Find somebody in your area with a cute little Kubota and a PTO tiller, and offer him some $$$  ;)
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2012, 01:03:12 PM »
Well, short of a tractor, the Troy-Bilt horse walk-behind rear-tine tiller was the state of the art, and reasonably easy for the non-brawny to handle.  Boughten one of those in 1980.  Nowadays, I would guess it's still a good option, but I'm not tuned into it the way I was.
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 02:02:31 PM »
I still use an old Troy Built rear tine tiller but mainly for between the row work.
I REALLY like my 60" gear-drive King Cutter behind the Kubota Grand L for the real work. It (the KK) weighs over 700 pounds and chews ground like nothing. The prices on these are very reasonable.
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 10:11:10 PM »
Ditto.


But I am interested in hearing more about the best way to till up an acre or so garden. Regular old walk-behind tiller or some sort of plow attachment for a yard tractor/lawn mower, or both? I haven't looked at anything like this in 20+ years and have no idea what folks are doing these days. Given my size and strength, I'd prefer the least brutal method.  ;)

An acre is a big garden. I'm working about a  1/2 acre and it is about all I can manage as a one man operation.
It is doable with a walk behind tiller but it would be a full time, all day every day job for a week or so just to get it prepped for planting.
If you have an acre in mind that you want to plant next year it isn't too soon to start getting it ready.
If you aren't set on going the organic route my first step would be to spray the area with a broad spectrum herbicide a couple of times before tilling then plant a green manure cover crop for fall.
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 10:43:33 PM »
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But I am interested in hearing more about the best way to till up an acre or so garden.

Get somebody to till it for you with a tractor and 3pt hitch mounted tiller.

You can do it with a walk behind but it's going to take a while and aggravating as hell.

We use a middle buster to break up the ground good then till and disc it, applying fertilizer and tilling/discing again to get a good soil/fertilizer mix. It's not something you can do quickly...gardening is kind of like painting...the prep work is arguably one of the most important steps.

 

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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2012, 10:55:07 PM »
Get somebody to till it for you with a tractor and 3pt hitch mounted tiller.

You can do it with a walk behind but it's going to take a while and aggravating as hell.

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Doing the same job with a walk-behind wouldn't be very fun, but probably doable in a few hours. Doing an entire acre with a walk-behind would really, really suck.
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 11:46:11 PM »
We grew enough along the fence line to eat and have some left for canning.  We left the tomatoes in pots so we could move them back into the house for winter.

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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2012, 01:03:55 AM »
No, if I was stuck doing the whole thing with a walk-behind, it would get done in very small sections at a time! Plowed, then disked. And actually, given the range of what I want to grow, prepping small sections at a time in the order of planting makes more sense. Of course, we won't know until we actually settle on a place whether the land has been recently planted or what it may or may not need.

When I was a kid we had a 1.5+ acre "eating" garden and with the exception of the north 1/8th of the field (which was planted in strawberries), the rest was done in rows, each running the entire length of the space. One long row of tomatoes, one row of green peppers, two rows of carrots, two of green beans, etc. What I'm looking at doing is kind of clustering things rather than putting them in long rows. Part of that is psychological on my part. Every morning of every summer was spent weeding three - five rows of the garden, by hand, on hands and knees. I HATED that damn garden and farm life and everything about it! My opinion has obviously changed, but rather than try to tame rows into cooperating and plowing/tilling the entire spread at one time, it makes more sense to me to prep a somewhat squared off section at a time based on what goes in the ground first. And to plant things together that work together - letting strung up cukes/beans provide shade for delicate lettuce varieties and herbs, etc. I also think plants like tomatoes will germinate better if they're clustered rather than spread out over a long row. At least, those have been my experiences in the smaller gardens I've grown over the years, which all produced well.

Damn. Wish I was watching stuff grow now instead of just day-dreaming about it. Larry, will you post pictures of your garden? NOT all your new buddies please, just the plants and produce!!  =D
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2012, 03:17:43 AM »
I'll see what I can do. Due to a number of reasons it's gotten a little ahead of me on weeding though so I'm not quite as proud of it as I could be.  And, I've experienced pretty much a total failure in my high tunnel green house due to blight. But most stuff is coming along.
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Re: Tiller fail
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 10:47:14 AM »
I know of some ranch folks out here that lay out their kitchen garden X feet wide* and as long as desired, and then they till it in about 30 seconds with the big farm tractor and plow  =D


* the width of the plow - maybe 18 to 30 feet
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