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Baby boxes!?
« on: June 11, 2012, 11:28:01 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/10/unitednations-europe-news

In Europe people abandon babies in boxes - I guess its better then the often heard news story about babies being thrown away here.

Similar to the CA law that lets you bring a bab to a hospital or fire station I guess.
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Re: Baby boxes!?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 07:39:06 AM »
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In an interview with the Guardian, Maria Herczog, a member of the UNCRC committee, said that the arguments from critics were a throwback to the past. "Just like medieval times in many countries we see people claiming that baby boxes prevent infanticide … there is no evidence for this."

Herczog, a prominent child psychologist from Hungary, says baby boxes should be replaced by better state provision of family planning, counselling for women and support for unplanned pregnancies.

Makes perfect sense to me - momma does not want the baby so the solution is to offer plans and hopes and dreams to all the future moms out there.

As for the "no evidence" bit - I say we set up a double-blind random assignment experiment where babies born on even-numbered days are left in baby boxes and babies born on odd-numbered days are put in dumpsters, garbage cans, left in bathroom stalls and the like.  After five years or so there ought to be enough imperical data to suggest whether or not there is a trend towards not dying if left in  a "baby box".

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Re: Baby boxes!?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 12:21:46 PM »
As Chris noted, many US cities and hospitals pretty much have the same program, minus the delivery box/airlock thing.

The only difference is that to the desperate/ashamed mother who "was never pregnant" as far as her friends/family was concerned, this removes the final fear/embarrassment/stigma of having to confront a nurse or admissions person face to face, which I guess removes any final incentives to dumpster the baby or do something else deadly, or unsafe like chicken out and leave the infant on the doorstoop where it could be stepped on, rained on.

We really ought to un-fund and withdraw from the U.N. That ought to be sufficient to kill it off for the rest of the world...

Only the U.N. would worry that a baby-box violating a "child's right to know it's parentage" outweighs the statistical chance of infanticide.

IMO, they're getting like PETA, who euthanize more animals than anyone else in America.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 12:31:08 PM by AJ Dual »
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Re: Baby boxes!?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 12:57:32 PM »
IMO, they're getting like PETA, who euthanize more animals than anyone else in America.

Source, please?

Not that I don't believe you.... I just would LOVE some actual data to support my theory that PETA is full of hypocritical nincompoops.
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Re: Baby boxes!?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 01:34:40 PM »
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof/ This is just Virginia, but it's a start.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/24/documents-peta-kills-more-than-95-percent-of-pets-in-its-care/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals#Euthanasia_of_shelter_animals

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/04/27/peta-and-euthanasia.html

Generally speaking, by way of analogy, if PETA were an anti-slavery abolitionist .org during the Civil War, they'd have advocated Union troops shelling slave quarters on plantations to "put them out of their misery", because even if freed, they'd still remember being slaves. 
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 01:49:14 PM by AJ Dual »
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Re: Baby boxes!?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 05:15:07 PM »
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Re: Baby boxes!?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 07:25:31 PM »
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof/ This is just Virginia, but it's a start.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/24/documents-peta-kills-more-than-95-percent-of-pets-in-its-care/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals#Euthanasia_of_shelter_animals

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/04/27/peta-and-euthanasia.html

Generally speaking, by way of analogy, if PETA were an anti-slavery abolitionist .org during the Civil War, they'd have advocated Union troops shelling slave quarters on plantations to "put them out of their misery", because even if freed, they'd still remember being slaves. 


petas advanced agenda doesn't believe in "companion animals"  they liken it to slavery     ironic since ingrid newkirk had pets
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