Author Topic: Any CPAs here? Have write-off question.  (Read 721 times)

MrsSmith

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Any CPAs here? Have write-off question.
« on: October 03, 2012, 09:18:21 AM »
The training group I work with occasionally comes into contact with folks who can't afford to take the courses - I have two women, specifically, in mind, but this comes up on occasion.

I'm working on creating a 501(c)3 foundation that will accept donations from local businesses and the funds will be used to provide education/training to low-income and/or high-risk individuals. But that takes time to put together.

Question for CPA is, can we provide training and write off the cost of the course somehow? Not trying to screw the system, but giving it away means no money coming in - a write off would at least offset things on the back end.

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Re: Any CPAs here? Have write-off question.
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 09:24:48 AM »
I'm about 15 yrs out of the business, but ...

What sort of entitity is "we" the training group ?

Generally you can't deduct donations to individuals (obviously, some 501c3's exist to help individuals).
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Re: Any CPAs here? Have write-off question.
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 07:59:53 PM »
Also not an accountant, but I am a sole proprietor. What my CPA has told me is that lack of anticipated income is not a "loss" and cannot be written off. But ... to a degree it depends on whether you are operating on a cash basis or on an accrual basis, and also what the arrangement is. On a cash basis, no payment means no income, but not a "loss." On an accrual basis, the charge is created at the time the invoice is submitted, and thereafter it is reported as an "asset," just as if it were real money. Down the road, if you finally acknowledge that a deadbeat client isn't going to pay, you write it off as a bad debt and a "loss."

But it sounds like you don't intend to have these people pay, so there won't be an invoice even if you operate on an accrual basis. So ... I don't see any (legitimate) way to write it off.
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Re: Any CPAs here? Have write-off question.
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 09:47:29 PM »
TP - the training group is a for-profit business. We'll eventually establish a 501(c)3 foundation to provide scholarships, but that's a huge PITA undertaking.

Obviously we'll invite these folks to classes regardless of their ability to pay. I was just trying figure out a way to make it less painful. We seem to be bleeding money right now and giving stuff away for free isn't helping. But I can't stand here and know these women could benefit from the classes and NOT offer them the training. 

Thanks both of you. I figured that would be the answer, but thought I'd check anyway.
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