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New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« on: February 14, 2013, 03:22:55 PM »
My Dell computer, at a little more than 6 1/2 years old, is getting a little long in the tooth, and it won't even run some of the current games.

So I'm looking for a decent - OK, a little better than decent - PC with which to do some gaming, light CAD work, and the usual "Office" type applications. Of these, I figure the gaming will be the most challenging to the hardware, so a good gaming PC will have enough horsepower to do everything else. (Something a step up from what you find on the shelf at BB or Fry's.)

I know "build your own" makes sense, and I've gone through that before, but for various reasons I'm taking that off the table.

A few general things . . . I'm figuring on something built around a four core Intel I7 processor, a pair of hard drives mirrored in RAID 1 configuration (I've had an HD crash at work before - recovery wasn't fun.), and a good graphics card; my monitor is an HDTV so maximum resolution I'd be looking at is 1920x1080, so I don't think I need dual cards, but I would like to run new games at high quality with good frame rates. HDMI connection, of course.

I've looked at Dell's "Alienware" line and they seem good, but pricey. Other builders I've looked at are CyberpowerPC and IBuypowerPC . . . on paper it looks like I could get a better machine from either of them for the same price as Alienware, but if their workers are on a par with Century Arms' enraged drunken monkeys, that could be a problem.

So . . . any feedback on these or other builders, or alternative suggestions?
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 03:32:37 PM »
My understanding with Alienware is that since they have been bought by Dell, they're not quite the same quality, and you're payign a significant premium for the little Alien logo....
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 03:34:22 PM »
I'm interested in this thread too. Need to put together a new system (desktop) for similar reasons myself.

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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 03:40:19 PM »
I bought this just last month for $ 900: http://www.costco.com/Dell-XPS-8500-Desktop%2c-Intel%C2%AE-Core%E2%84%A2-i7-3770-3.4-GHz.product.100011674.html.  I am playing the Call of Duty series at high settings and getting good frame rates.

It may be a bit light for your gaming needs, though.  This replaced the ZT Systems that I also bought from Costco in December, and returned after five weeks when the power supply failed.  I noticed that Costco no longer carries ZT Systems, which does not surprise me with all the Costco online complaints about failures of the power supply or graphics card soon after purchase.
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 03:47:10 PM »
Just build it.

Since the demise of Alienware, good stuff is gone.


Get the Seagate Momentus hybrid drives... SSD cached to HDD.  Good speed, reasonable total storage.  Either that or an SSD for C: drive and RAID 1 traditional drives for applications and data.

Mobo/RAM to match your I7.  I favor ASUS.  Never been let down by one of their purchases in 15 years.
Whatever the latest ATI Radeon card is, in the x9xx series.  Third digit must be a 9, or else go back a generation and get that (x-1)9xx series.  Might spring for a pair of matching GPU's and crossfire them.
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Minimum 500watt PSU.  This is where EVERYONE skimps, except Alienware before Dell killed them.  And why you don't buy an OTC OEM build any more ever.  The chassis you buy will most likely come with an insufficient PSU, so get a cheap chassis and throw the original PSU away or sell it on Craigslist.
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 04:02:54 PM »
I bought a Dell XPS 8500 a couple of months ago to replace a ten-year-old Dell.

The kids are gaming on it, and not complaining.

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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 04:05:13 PM »
I've built a few good machines recently - mostly because I couldn't find what I wanted off the shelf (at a reasonable cost, anyway).  With that off the table, though, it's hard to tell you where to start.

I looked into CyberPower/iBuyPower a few years ago and at the time they were getting some pretty poor reviews on their own forums.  Since then I've heard mixed responses.

Most of the i7 machines with at least 8GB ram will do what you want as long as they have a good graphics card for your gaming.  If not, you'll have to buy one, and many of the high end graphics cards require higher end power supplies as well as larger cases to accommodate the large cards.  Some mainboards have poorly positioned PCI-E slots, which means you might not be able to fit a new card in.  That being the case, be careful buying a machine and thinking "I'll just upgrade the video card and make it awesome" because by the time you're done, you may have had to replace enough parts that you might as well have built the computer from scratch.  My brother is an NVIDIA guy, but I like ATI's Radeon line.  Either brand will probably be fine.  Since you're trying for OTS, I won't bother recommending specific cards, but be sure to compare the specs before buying: http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php  

A lot of the cards that get tossed into off the shelf machines are low-end consumer cards, sometimes with beefed up memory to make them more appealing at a glance.  That will be disappointing if you're looking to do any amount of gaming on the machine.

Whatever the latest ATI Radeon card is, in the x9xx series.  Third digit must be a 9, or else go back a generation and get that (x-1)9xx series.
The x9xx are very nice, but I was very happy with a 5870 too.  The 5870 worked for every game I threw at it.  Also, ensure you have a good warranty on the card.  Many cards that get run hard develop overheating issues and being able to ship it back to the manufacturer and get a new card is nice.  I mainly use XFX who offer a lifetime warranty.
Might spring for a pair of matching GPU's and crossfire them.
Unless you're a real videophile who can tell the difference between 90FPS and 120FPS, I really don't think you need to do this.  Most games right now are stagnating when it comes to GPU requirements.  Until new consoles start popping up with drastically improved architecture, single high-end cards are already more than powerful enough for all the major games which are usually developed for both PC and console and tend to be specced based on console capabilities.  If you're doing some complex 3D rendering or bitcoin mining it might make sense, but otherwise don't waste the money.  You'd have to spec out an even higher-end power supply, motherboard, case, etc., and the return almost certainly wouldn't be worthwhile.

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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 04:12:45 PM »
Agreed, one iteration of the latest-n-greatest x9xx series is more than likely enough.

I'm running crossfire on my big box because it's a pair of 3900's and I'm a cheap bastage.
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 07:05:03 PM »
Why are you against building it? The toughest part about building a PC is researching and figuring out what you want to put in it, but that is still a necessary step if you are buying a prebuilt one anyway.
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 10:06:00 PM »
Neat thing about the newer Radeons is they're a smaller die size, and don't hit the power supply quite so hard.

My older HD6870 has two separate power leads going into it.   :O

And I will never, NEVER configure another factory or kitbashed system without an SSD. 

A fast CPU, oodles of fast memory, and a monster video card pale in comparison to the performance boost of an SSD.

You'll never realize how long you were actually waiting for 1s and 0s to spool off a spinning platter until you make the switch.  =D

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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 12:27:02 AM »
Any opinions about something like this? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=XW8600-XQC20X2-MAR-2R&cat=SVR

I'm guessing it's plenty of raw horsepower, but might need a new video card.
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 08:25:19 AM »
My desktop is an iBuypower that I bought about 4 years ago now.  liquid cooled i7, 1Gb Nvidia (whatever the number was back then).  Coolermaster big ass power supply, some hard drives.  It has worked great.  Still running strong, plays new games, all that good stuff. I might need to put another video card in and crossfire them when Dead Space 3 hits but if I do that'll be the first needed upgrade.

The machine did well by me, and I would buy from them again.

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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 11:52:42 AM »
Hit Dell's outlet page.  WIth a little patience you can score some pretty decent deals.  I found this one.  Pretty much a hoss in all respects and it even comes with good 'ol Win7 64-bit.

http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22&puid=2bdb07aa

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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 12:17:33 PM »
I get parts from Newegg and Tiger Direct.  They both sell systems if you don't want to build yourself.  You did not specify a budget but you can save a lot by picking up components when they are on sale or closeout and building yourself.  Takes some time do do it right.

I would start with a good well ventalated case, something that doesn't become obsolete.  Today I wouldn't go smaller than a 750w power supply.

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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 01:53:49 PM »
I have a system that has one of the first i7 quad core chips, 6Gb RAM, and a new nvidia 670. It plays EVERYTHING on max settings with good framerates. That I've tried anyway.

Skyrim with massive texture pack upgrades, Deus Ex, Borderlands 2, Mass Effect 3, all running fine on max.
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 02:27:57 PM »
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Re: New PC recommendations for gaming & etc.?
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2013, 11:12:49 PM »
Building your own is the only way IMO.  It's really not difficult, and you end up with a ridiculous system if you want it.  And I can't say it enough, spring for SSD's.  I have one for my operating system and one for games.  Works very well. 
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