Robber Doesn't Get Money, So Shoots Victim's Baby

[Ben]

What kind of a sick SOB does something like this? If found guilty, I hope he gets his.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/23/georgia-mom-says-teen-told-her-do-want-me-to-kill-your-baby-before-son-fatally/

[Tallpine]

Seventeen-year-old De'Marquis Elkins is charged as an adult with first-degree murder

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I'm sure he is a really good boy who is just about to get his life turned around.

The news should publish a bunch of cute pictures of him at age 12.

[MechAg94]

"He couldn't have done that to a little baby," she told AP. "My brother has a good heart."



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I will grant that the kid is still a suspect.

[zahc]

I recently became a father myself. So all the emotional changes (and waistline changes) are still fresh. Stories like this always would have bothered me, but they bother me on a totally different level now. However, I can still remember being an unaffiliated young male and back then babies did not really mean anything to me on anything but an intellectual level. I need to remember that it's not a given that anyone else cares about my baby but me.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that we normal, adjusted people should not make the mistake of taking human decency for granted. I was trying to convince my wife that going on walks alone with the stroller placed her in a new category as a prime victim compared to when she used to walk by herself. It seemed obvious to me that she is "easier picking" with a stroller, because any attacker knows she cannot/will not run away without her baby. This is the way I think. She, however, was thinking she would be more safe now compared to going on walks by herself, because those comassionate muggers out there would be reluctant to mug a woman with a baby out of some sense of fair play or human decency. This incident is a reality check for both of us. There is no correlation between what we can imagine a human doing and what some humans demonstrably do. We should base our risk assessments on threats as they aactually are, and not as we imagine them to be based on our own makeup. We need to remember that the things that are dear and sacred to us may have absolutely no value to somebody else.

[SteveS]

I was trying to convince my wife that going on walks alone with the stroller placed her in a new category as a prime victim compared to when she used to walk by herself. It seemed obvious to me that she is "easier picking" with a stroller, because any attacker knows she cannot/will not run away without her baby.

Good point, but at least you have both hands free, compared to if you were carrying the baby. 

[Monkeyleg]

When I heard that story on the radio, I wanted to kill that mother *expletive deleted*er sixteen different ways at once.

That's the sickest story I've heard lately.

[seeker_two]

I hope this sick bastard resists arrest....or at least looks like he's resisting arrest....or drives through a LAPD checkpoint in a pickup truck....

[Neemi]

Makes me  .

When I take my boys on walks, there's a reason I take the dog, the dog mace, and my trusty .45. We're going home after our walk, thanks.

[Strings]

Caught this on a blog.

First thought "had to be a mistake". Anyone that could execute an infant like that NEEDS execution themselves

You don't pet a rabid dog, nor do you try to cure it. You put it down

[gunsmith]

What kind of a sick SOB does something like this? If found guilty, I hope he gets his.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/23/georgia-mom-says-teen-told-her-do-want-me-to-kill-your-baby-before-son-fatally/

I met kids like that when I worked as a MHT in a Florida long term residential treatment program.
My guess is he is a crack baby ... there is zero hope for the young murderer, none at all whatsoever short of God appearing and performing a miracle.

Hopefully, with all the media attention, his life in prison will be harrowing.

[Monkeyleg]

Life in prison? Slow death by torture. Tomorrow through July.

[Terpsichore]

Life in prison? Slow death by torture. Tomorrow through July.

Agreed.

From a mother's POV, I hope they give her the fist swing.

[Hawkmoon]

This incident is a reality check for both of us. There is no correlation between what we can imagine a human doing and what some humans demonstrably do. We should base our risk assessments on threats as they aactually are, and not as we imagine them to be based on our own makeup. We need to remember that the things that are dear and sacred to us may have absolutely no value to somebody else.

True.

Another aspect of this is that now, three months after the Sandy Hook school massacre, I keep reading newspaper articles about school systems around my state that are proudly proclaiming how they are going to increase security at their schools ... by installing buzzers at the front entrance door. Never mind that Sandy Hook had just installed such a system, and IT DIDN'T WORK. There's an old saying that "locks are made for honest people." People who DON'T mean any harm will press the button and wait for the door to be released. A crazy mass killer will just shoot out the glass and walk in.

:Doh: Reality check 101

[Lee]

Disgusting piece of filth. The guy should be tried, convicted, and publicly hung...and quickly.
I agree with Zach as well. I used to warn my wife about that all the time. We had twin babies and she thought her vulnerability (and their cuteness) protected her from scumbags.

[lupinus]

Life in prison? Slow death by torture. Tomorrow through July.

Hang the *expletive deleted*er by the feet like a side of beef and start at the ankles with a cautery knife

[vaskidmark]

.... I was trying to convince my wife that going on walks alone with the stroller placed her in a new category as a prime victim compared to when she used to walk by herself. It seemed obvious to me that she is "easier picking" with a stroller, because any attacker knows she cannot/will not run away without her baby. This is the way I think. She, however, was thinking she would be more safe now compared to going on walks by herself, because those comassionate muggers out there would be reluctant to mug a woman with a baby out of some sense of fair play or human decency. This incident is a reality check for both of us. ....

There are some good set-ups for a holster on a stroller.  Most do not look like holsters, which makes them better.

As much as I go off on examples of homeowners/drivers who shoot someone when there is question as to the ressonable apprehension of imminent death or serious bodily injury (such as this one http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/police-intruder-fatally-shot-loudoun-homeowner-was/ ), I am more than willing to stretch the diameter of the bubble within which imminent danger (as opposed to mere danger or even mere dangerousness) exists when it comes to babies in strollers.

Unfortunately, this shooting of the baby seems to put the lie to the old saw about getting between a mother and her child.  Some (not just mothers) simply cannot conceive of becoming violent, regardless of the provocation.  Those people should be identified early in life and arrangements made for a "carer" who accompanies them outside the home.

stay safe.

[ArfinGreebly]

The article mentions that this same woman's 18 year-old son -- having a different last name -- was killed by his selected victim using the assailant's own knife.

So, this woman has a kid (last name different from her own), he grows up, engages in gang violence and gets killed during an ambush/assault by the person he's attacking.

Now this woman has another kid, under two years old, whose father lives "across the street," and he is murdered by some animal who has no problem shooting a baby in the face to make his "point."

A)  The animal needs to be put down.  Any redemption he might seek, he can pursue in whatever afterlife he has coming.

B)  This woman leads a seriously weird life.  I'm going to trudge out here toward the thin end of the limb and hazard a conjecture that she has some kind of associations going on that cause her to rub elbows with odd people, possibly criminal and violent people.  It is agreed the limb is thin here.

C)  The animal needs to be put down.  Problem is, his ID is made by a woman who was under horrific stress, and therefore you need rock solid forensics to anchor that ID.  But once it's rock solid, the animal needs to be put down.  Possibly putting him in GenPop and spreading the word, "shot baby in face, unprovoked," would be enough.

D)  The animal needs to be put down.

[Ben]

B)  This woman leads a seriously weird life.  I'm going to trudge out here toward the thin end of the limb and hazard a conjecture that she has some kind of associations going on that cause her to rub elbows with odd people, possibly criminal and violent people.  It is agreed the limb is thin here.

C)  The animal needs to be put down.  Problem is, his ID is made by a woman who was under horrific stress, and therefore you need rock solid forensics to anchor that ID.  But once it's rock solid, the animal needs to be put down.  Possibly putting him in GenPop and spreading the word, "shot baby in face, unprovoked," would be enough.

Totally agree here. The mother's life doesn't excuse or mitigate what the animal did, but if the story is accurate, she likely immersed herself in environments not conducive to safety.

Hopefully they'll get DNA evidence from the stroller or spent casings at the crime scene. As much as the murderer deserves his just desserts (and maybe a little more), the person being punished needs to be the actual murderer.

[Terpsichore]

Unfortunately, this shooting of the baby seems to put the lie to the old saw about getting between a mother and her child.  Some (not just mothers) simply cannot conceive of becoming violent, regardless of the provocation.  Those people should be identified early in life and arrangements made for a "carer" who accompanies them outside the home.

What if they just don't want to think about it?  Kind of the whole "Ignorance is bliss", mindset?  I'm not saying that is a good line of thought...I actually agree with you.  It's sad that there are parents out there who think it "can't happen to them because they are good people."  (yes, that was the argument someone gave me while discussing this sad event)  It shouldn't matter what you are: you take care of and protect your own.  

[MechAg94]

Totally agree here. The mother's life doesn't excuse or mitigate what the animal did, but if the story is accurate, she likely immersed herself in environments not conducive to safety.

Hopefully they'll get DNA evidence from the stroller or spent casings at the crime scene. As much as the murderer deserves his just desserts (and maybe a little more), the person being punished needs to be the actual murderer.

Agreed.  The article I saw indicated the kid arrested was picked out of a 20 person lineup by the woman.  I really hope they have more evidence than that.

[Bigjake]

Get a rope.

A fair trial and a fair hanging is more than he deserves.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

rope    too fast.  long pretrial hold in general jail population might be educational as well as therapeutic