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let the cya and back peddling begin
« on: April 28, 2013, 07:11:05 PM »
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2013, 07:20:58 PM »
cps takes a baby and looks like they screwed the pooch

http://www.news10.net/news/article/242914/2/Couple-still-unclear-why-CPS-took-their-baby-

Cops and CPS workers: petty bureaucrats, unaccountable thugs cavalierly destroying lives with no repercussions. Deplorable.
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2013, 07:28:13 PM »
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2013, 08:32:16 PM »
I see this fairly regularly.

The flip side? I've seen any number of kids who NEED to be taken into protective custody, who are left with their parents
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2013, 10:18:23 PM »
aI don't know California law, but in Ohio a child cannot be removed without a court order.  If an order is granted, a hearing on continued removal must be held by the end of the next business day.  I guarantee that this kind of crap wouldn't fly in my court.
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 12:39:41 AM »
aI don't know California law, but in Ohio a child cannot be removed without a court order.  If an order is granted, a hearing on continued removal must be held by the end of the next business day.  I guarantee that this kind of crap wouldn't fly in my court.

Your Ohio law comes from a ruling by SCOTUS.

I am not ashamed to admit that I worked CPS for 14 years.  I removed a heck of a lot of kids from their homes, but only when they were in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury due to neglect or abuse - pretty much the same standard that we use for self defense cases.  It says more about the motivation of their parents to straighten up abnd do better than it does about me, my counseling "skills" or the effectiveness of the (any) services provided to help improve the home situation that most of the kids could safely be returned home within 6 months.  I also left a heck of a lot more kids in their homes and arranged for goods. services, and/or financial assistance that was needed to reduce/eliminate the abuse/neglect to a level that was tolerable by both agency and societal standards.

That right - the goal when a child was removed was never to eliminate abuse/neglect, just to stop it from being a threat to life or serious bodily injury.  When it was below that level the situation was monitored and goods, services, and/or financial assistance was provided to work towards eliminating the abuse/neglect.  That's the way it is supposed to work.  Unfortunately, in the current societal atmosphere do-good busybodies have upped the ante to not only eliminating the abuse/neglect reported, but removing all possible abuse/neglect and ensuring that there will never again be any abuse/neglect.  That's a standard that Jusus Himself could never meet!

With the scant details provided here, it sounds like CPS responded to someone at the first hospital who freaked out because the parents took their baby out of the hospital without crossing all the i's and dotting all the t's.  It sounds like they took the kid straight to the second hospital for a second opinion - not like they called up and arranged for an appointment several weeks down the road.  But someone did not follow all the rules!

It also sounds like CPS did not conduct any meaningful investigation, and that there was not a court hearing to decide if the kid should remain outside the home.  Denying the parents/their attorney access to the medical record is another huge misstep - in itself that could cost the taxpayers lots of money.  Denying pictures/video of the kid is arbitrary, caprecious, and probably meets the state's definition of emotional neglect1.  The punitive damages for that will probably be massive.

There is no way CPS can cover their hind parts.  Not if the parents get even a barely mediocre lawyer.

stay safe.

1 - Did you know that in most states emotional neglect is a felony, while physical abuse is only a misdemeanor?  Parents/caregivers I dealt with that did anything that left a mark (let alone broke, burned, cut, or removed a part) were never charged with abuse.  They were charged with felony A&B.  And in spite of that, many of them got their kids back when it was safer.


ETA - went here http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/getinfo/pdf/cws2.pdf afterwards to see just what the rules of engagement CPS operates under.  To say they screwed the pooch is to be so kind and forgiving.  Little Sammy should come out of this with his medical care for life paid for, college all the way to a PhD paid for, and still have enough left over to live quite well for the rest of a long and happy life.
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 12:51:41 AM »
Charge the CPS worker with kidnapping.   [ar15]  I'm serious.
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 12:54:52 AM »
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The flip side? I've seen any number of kids who NEED to be taken into protective custody, who are left with their parents

I too have noticed how the CPS idiots tend to remove the kids who don't need to be removed while leaving the kids who need to be removed.

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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2013, 01:00:03 AM »
Charge the CPS worker with kidnapping.   [ar15]  I'm serious.

Nah!  All they will get is 20 years of free care.

Based on what I see as deliberate failure to follow established policy & procedure they should lose qualified immunity.  Sue them into the ground and make them live under a bridge.  Then sue them for refusing to pay the judgement.  Just do not let the judge enter a contempt finding - do not want them to get free stuff for 30 days.

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Hey you kids!! Get off my lawn!!!

They keep making this eternal vigilance thing harder and harder.  Protecting the 2nd amendment is like playing PACMAN - there's no pause button so you can go to the bathroom.

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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2013, 04:00:03 PM »
I have worked a number of these case in a variety of capacities.  I have seen some cases where CPS acted improperly and arbitrarily.  I have also seen judges substitute their own views of what is ideal parenting for what the law actually says.  That being said, I have seen a fair number of parents run to the media, knowing that CPS can't comment on a case, and lie about what happened.  This, combined with my general belief that most media outlets screw up when it comes to reporting the truth, is making me wonder if we aren't getting the whole story.
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 01:36:15 PM »
i'll never forget taking my daughter to the doctor in california, as she had an ear infection.  when i questioned the receptionist about the benefits of taking the antibiotic, she snapped back about calling cps if we didn't give her the meds.   :O
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2013, 02:57:18 PM »
the receptionist?  i am generally opposed to smacking women..... however
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2013, 03:28:52 PM »
the receptionist?  i am generally opposed to smacking women..... however

No!  Don't do it.

Let her call CPS, based on her years of education and experience in the art of pediatric medicine.  And then report her to the state licensing board for the illegal practice of medicine without a license.  It will also impact her boss, who will have to answer to the Board about why he had not trained staff to never discuss mediccal matters except to say something like "I can work you in at 2:30 next Wednesday to ask the doctor about that."

Had a well-meaning file clerk tell the former daughter what nasty side effects she might experience from a a med prescribed for her.  Within days she was no longer working for the doc, and he was sweating bullets about finding a MCE class on managing office staff in order to meet the sanction the Board had meted out.

There are ways for well-meaning persons who are not licensed to practice medicine to express concern for the medical care/condition of a child.  But if they want to step over the line, who am I to stop them?

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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2013, 03:29:56 PM »
i like the way you think
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2013, 07:17:23 PM »
I need to invite you two to planning sessions.  I am clearly not devious enough and need some pointers.
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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2013, 06:41:05 AM »
i like the way you think

Hey, the system exists.  Might as well use it to your advantage as have it used against you.

Also someguy once said something about "know yor enemy".  Sounded like decent advice.

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Hey you kids!! Get off my lawn!!!

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Re: let the cya and back peddling begin
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2013, 01:25:43 PM »
Update on this story?
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