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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« on: August 09, 2006, 08:10:02 AM »
For conservatives taking the short view Lieberman's loss to an inexperienced anti-war nut job might seem like a bad thing.

But is it really?

There are many folks here who don't think things are as bad as many (like myself) believe. Their argument is we get the government we deserve. If we don't like what our elected officials are doing then we should just vote 'em out.

Lieberman losing in the primaries is an excellent example of just that - those who took the time to vote threw the bum out (he could win as an independent I guess but figure the odds of that or he'll steal enough votes from the democrat to make it so a Republican could actually take the CT seat). Bad decision IMO but it shows that the voters still exercise some power - that some little bit of choice still exists.

And that's the shining beacon of light. Maybe the guys who say if you don't like the laws as they are today then elect folk who will change them to what you want are right - maybe???

Granted that beacon is a mere flashlight on the horizon - it's hardly a megawatt lighthouse - but still - its out there - shining on the horizon just waiting for other Americans to add their flashlight to the glow.
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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 08:18:55 AM »
So politicians who represent things that the majority of their constituents dont like get tossed from office.  This sounds like a blinding flash of the obvious.

The good news here is that it is a measure of the damage the Democrat Party will do to itself in the general election.  Lieberman is an excellent candidate and, despite his flirting with Gore, a principled guy who took on his party on Iraq.  The Dems will run way left and Republicans will continue to get elected, despite their best efforts.
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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 09:01:14 AM »
I agree with Rabbi.  The Democrats are doing everything they can to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

One big problem with government today is that nobody who gets elected has the stones to tell his/her constituents something they don't want to hear.  That's good, in that it gives the people a large measure of control over their government.  But it's also dangerous, in that very few politicians are willing to do the right/constitutional/sensible/moral thing if that isn't what their voters want them to do.  

If the people of this country want their representatives to do things that are unconstitutional or harmful to the country, then the politicians will oblige.

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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 09:16:10 AM »
It's clear that as the ultra-left wing of the DNC battles for control, they're using the Iraq war as their litmus test for what appears to be a potential purge of the party.

Lieberman has LOADS of criticisim for Bush and about how Iraq and the WOT are being fought. The only commonality with the White House that he has is that he agrees that the WOT needs to be fought and for better or worse, we need to finish what we started in Iraq. That's pretty much Hillary's pretend-moderate platform, and the ill-focused schlock Kerry ran on in 2004. So it shows you just how hard to the left they're trying to pull. The only difference between Lieberman and them is that he believes it, and to them that's why he had to go.

Liberman makes a few moderate Democrat noises about morality, keeping naughty video games away from kids, and such, but otherwise he votes pretty much lock-step with the DNC on the domestic agenda, and other than defense, he's very liberal. The complicit mainstream press is painting Liberman as some sort of huge Zell Miller maverick, when in reality he's just an old-school Democrat who can be worked with on occasion, and still has his sense of patriotisim, at least on the international front. In essence, he's a hawkish Jimmy Carter.

Liberman's excomunication from the Donkey's holy fold says volumes more about the direction of the DNC than it says anything about Lieberman. IMO, this is the first crack in what I suspect will be the eventual fracturing of the party. The DNC is bouyed up by way too many single-issue voters, Unions, Minorities, Greens, Gays etc. Other than the Union issues, most union members are pretty socialy conservative, and aren't to sympathetic to the gays, and they know the environmental movment hurts their employment. Many minority communities are extremely homophobic etc. Cosmopolitan urban gays look down on blue collar workers etc., and that makes the DNC a house of cards.

The other DNC core consituency, the depression and WWII generation that'll pull the leverl for a Democratic corpse in hopes it'll channel the spirits of FDR and Truman are dying. Every day they're less a factor in the polls, except for Chicago, of course...

By going hard-left under the Soros-funded hijack of the party, the DNC is going to split off many of their single-issue voters when the party goes too far to the left for them on everything else. The gays will be screwed, having lost it all in the backlash against thier push for marriage rights, and the greens seeing no more clout in the DNC's not-so-big tent, will go with the Green party The hard left will celebrate their purge of the "ideologicaly pure" DNC that's now a shadow of it's former self, and never be in the majority again.

The superficialy pragmatic reason DNC and it's new masters keeps flirting with turning hard-left because it energizes the bean-sprout and granola base creating the appearance of vitality in the trenches during primaries, but come election day, the middle and the middle-left gets more and more put out, and either just sits at home, or maybe even holds their nose and votes for a moderate Republican&

If the DNC can't make serious gains in '06 and '08 and relax a bit, out of sheer spite the party will eat itself, and will follow the Liberman pattern over and over again.

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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 09:28:30 AM »
Score another one for appeasement, Al Quaida, and the propensity for many people to put their heads in the sand.

Lieberman is a statist Democrat,  has a grasp of history and that there really is a difference between right and wrong.  Perhaps statism,  and  grasping history and knowing the difference between right and wrong are mutualy exclusive notions in many quarters of the Democrat party, especially Ct.
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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 11:07:46 AM »
No grampster, the problem is all of a sudden, Lieberman's stance on the war became the hot topic of the election. My take is these feelings against the Senator go way farther back here than just the war issue. I know mine do. And I know plenty others who felt the same way before the war issue came up. The story is some 100,000 IIRC independents registered to vot in this primary. Even if it wasn't 100,000 it was a substantial number. My question is how were THEY divided? I'd almost bet the majority signed up to kick Joe out. Go to L&P over at THR and read what I've posted there. I'd rather not type it all out again. Cheesy

I'll go get the link...

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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=214768
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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 05:32:33 PM »
Does Lieberman's Independent campaign give the Republican candidate a snowball's chance, or did the GOP put up someone who wouldn't disgrace himself too badly on the way to near-certain defeat?
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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 06:45:49 PM »
280,

I had a problem with Lieberman when he signed on to run with Gore.  It seemed to me that Gore was the antithesis of what Lieberman had been saying on a number of issues, even though he is a commited statist, and suddenly he wants to be Gore's VP?  Yet, tho I disagree fundamentaly with his statist posture, he did seem to be a reasonable man in some ways.  Maybe he thought he could calm Gore down.

  I think perhaps the rejection of Joe was less being angry with Joe than a total lack of understanding of the dangers that fundamentalist, radical Khomeini styled Islam poses for the world.  According to the high priest and architect of radical Islam, Iatollah Khomeini, it's our way or death to the unbeliever.

Anyway, I'll go read your thread now.

I read it.  I defer to your judgment as you live in Ct.  I guess I never really liked him all that well anyway as we are philosophically poles apart.  He did seem to understand the Islamo-fascist situation.  I'll give him credit for the courage of his conviction in that regard.
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Is Lieberman's Loss a Beacon of Shining Light?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 01:47:27 AM »
Yes, I will agree he has some good points but I lost a lot of respect for him after that first election. I voted for them I'm ashamed to say. I was embarrased by them afterqward. Up until that point I was always caught up in this state's Democratic fury but once he started in with the continous anti Bush rhetoric without end I had a change of heart. Hey, I voted for him and we lost and like always I said oh well there's always the next election now it's time to get back to some real business, but not Joe, he couldn't let it die. I truly believe at this point he is most interested in stepping up the ladder than anything else. I emailed him back then and pretty much said the same thing. Givbe it up and let this country get on with it's work. No reply. Then the LAST election. Losing by a wide margin but still not man enough to step aside. Had to keep pluggin away. We have a saying here. "All for Joe and Joe for Joe."

I'll say another thing. I was damn proud of Bush for running a clean election last time arounmd. I thought he did a hell of a job keeping on track with the MEAT of the issues rather than the piss and moan campaign Kerry and his cronies ran. That's why last time around, even though I don't totally agree with his side either, I voted Bush.

I'm afraid at this point, the Republican candidate isn't looking too hopeful. I agree with whoever over at THR said that chances are Lieberman WILL win as an independent. But only if the Republican candidate makes a poor showing. This is their chance to take that seat as far as I can tell. I hope the haven't blown it already.

Nobody I know wants Neddy in either, I think the gun owners will have their say in this one. The anti Dodd / anti Lieberman campaign has been going on at MY local range for years.
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