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« on: August 14, 2006, 08:37:23 AM »
Next week, the wife and I will be in NoVA house-hunting.  I'm looking for some advice and help.  I'd like to create a checklist, so that as we look at each house we can organize our thoughts on each property.  I might come up with it from scratch, or if someone has one or has seen one on the 'net, maybe you can link it here to me.  
Ideas for things that should go on the list?
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2006, 09:56:50 AM »
What kind of load do you use for houses?

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2006, 10:06:32 AM »
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What kind of load do you use for houses?
Whatever the Israelies use, it seems to be effective....


I found this checklist I think it'll work for me

http://www.ourfamilyplace.com/homebuyer/scorecard1.html
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2006, 10:20:07 AM »
#1 tip of the day

http://www.zillow.com

tip #2

bring money. lots of money
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2006, 11:15:57 AM »
For me, it's never really been a list
I keep a constant list in my head of my top 5
and then if one comes along tha'tsz better, I shuffle the list and ones that are better knock out the worse ones.
I then compare each to each other.
But I  know what's important to me and what appears right, and I'm sure you do too (our mental choices are probably different though)
then I go and look at the top 3 again, reshuffle them
and then make an offer on teh first one
and if that's not reasoanble, I work down to number 2, etc

It's worked very well for me and it's fast.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2006, 01:09:13 PM »
On your notes, keep two seperate columns - one for subjective things like paint colors, landscaping, and the like, and another for the objective items like HVAC and mechanicals.

Take time to admire the house on both an emotional and logical level. You will buy the house emotionally, but you have to justify it financially (logically). Don't let emotion get in the way of logic, especially if the emotion-generating item is something easy to recreate in another home that might be in a better location, price range, etc.

Use your time to look on the internet and narrow your list down to the best eight or ten. If you can't, you need to narrow your criteria a bit. Once you have that short list, go look and make it an even shorter list. Beginning with the second house, compare it to the first house. Whichever is better, keep that detail sheet and tear up the other one. At the next house, do the same thing - compare it to your previous choice. Keep whichever is better. When you are done you will have one sheet left in your hand. There you go.

Most of all, keep your head screwed on straight. Don't lose perspective and keep everything in context.

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2006, 07:02:57 PM »
Visit the neighborhood at night and on the weekend.

Talk to the police community services folks for their take on the 'hood and the immediate neighbors.

100' tape measure is nice to have - plot plans lie (sometimes).

Check on the turnover rate for the area.  How many houses are rentals?
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 03:51:44 AM »
its also a good idea to stay in the area and attempt the commute

but since its August, expect September to have a 30 percent increase in traffic
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 04:15:19 AM »
Try to find out how long houses have been on the market, nowadays as compared to a year ago.  That's a good indicator as to whether prices will continue to rise, level off or drop somewhat.  It's variable all over the country, and Chambers of Commerce lie like crazy.  You don't want to buy a house at the peak, particularly at a time of rising interest rates.

For a given amount of house, be it neighborhood, square footage or whatever, compare the monthly cost of renting with the monthly cost of ownership--not omitting maintenance for an owned house.

And if the monthly cost of a dwelling is above 25% of your NET income, you're in the wrong place to start with or you want way too much house.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 11:07:39 AM »
Be very careful with Zillow.  In my neighborhood, Zillow values have been about $40,000 more than actual closing prices on sold properties.

Rent for six months.  You will be able to learn so much more before buying.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 12:22:16 PM »
Zillow.com and the other sites that claim to give you "house values" are usually quoting  the assessed taxable value which may, or may not, reflect actual market value (most of the time it doesn't). It is, at best, a starting point.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 12:58:52 PM »
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Rent for six months.  You will be able to learn so much more before buying.
Not an option.

I'm not looking for advice further than ideas for a checklist.  Things to look for around the house that might clue me off to the house's care and construction.  Things like neighborhood issues to keep an eye out for.  That's all.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 06:35:11 PM »
If the house has tile in the bathrooms and/or kitchen, look closely at how well/poorly it was done, and the condition of the joints.

Often problems beneath, either due to poor installation or poor backing, will telegraph through.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2006, 01:45:03 AM »
Keep an eye out for polypropylene pipe (I think that's it).  It was used in quite a number of low to medium cost townhomes in Northern Va.  It's bad because, improperly installed (and most of it was), it develops leaks.  It's so bad, there was a class action suit against the manufacturer.  You can actually get all of the Poly pipe in your house replaced under the suit.  If you don't know what it looks like, it's typically gray in color.  You'll see it anywhere copper or pvc is normally used, especially where the faucets and drains are concerned.  

That's one of the reasons I moved to the Manassas area.  Most of  the homes in Loudoun and Fairfax Counties in my price range had this crap.

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2006, 04:42:52 AM »
Chris is right about the gray piping (It's polybutylene, IIRC).  When I was buying, my Real Estate agent was very very careful to look for any "gray worms" as she called them.

The problem with this kind of piping only affects houses that are on a chlorinated water supply, BTW.  The pipe reacts over time with the chlorine in the water, and begins to break down.  Eventually this leads to leaks, and (inevitably) these are in inconvenient places.  But in houses with well water, these pipes are apparently not a problem.

Jamis,

Find out if any major work on the house was done be a previous owner, if you can.  If any was, be careful and check that work out.  (I'm not talking about work that the previous owner had done by a hired contractor, I'm talking about work he did on his own).  My current place had (owner-installed) wainscoting all around the walls in the lower level when I bought it, because the previous owner's kid apparently had a case of congenital hand dirt, and wood didn't show the smudges as much as painted walls.

So it was ugly grubby nasty wainscoting, and I had to take it out.  And when I did, I discovered that the places where there were electrical outlets, he hadn't made neat holes in the drywall behind the wainscoting, he'd just bashed an 8-inch hole with a sledgehammer, and then cut a nice neat hole in the wainscoting.  Because after all, no one would ever see that drywall again.

Until I took the wainscoting off and had to patch about 15 bits of Modern Art In Gypsum.  

Look out for houses owned by do-it-your-selfers.

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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2006, 04:56:50 AM »
That's the piping.  I at least got the "poly" part right. Smiley

Regarding "do it yourselfers", pay attention to the quality of the work more than who did it.  In this area, there are lots of crappy contractors, builders, etc.  I'm just as afraid of the average contractor as I am of the average "do it yourselfer".  I've seen work done by "professionals" that wouldn't pass muster in a slum.

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2006, 05:15:27 AM »
The connectors used in PB pipe are also very prone to failure. It's not just limited to chlorinated water, either. Homes on wells have also experienced poly failure.

Some years ago I got a frantic call from a friend of mine in Silver Spring. He was having a flood of biblical proportions in his basement due to a failed connector near his water heater. We did some quick and dirty repiping to get him back online but it was clear that the system was on its last legs. As he was trying to find a contractor to repipe the house, the pipe to the exterior hose bib failed, resulting in over $3,000 worth of damage to the kitchen and basement.

Some years ago I came into my kitchen to find water pouring out of the ceiling light. A quick run upstairs revealed that I had a leak under the sink. When I got everything shut off, I found that the risers from the copper pipe to the faucet assembly were poly, and it had split.

A quick check of the sink in the other bathroom revealed the same pipe.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2006, 07:43:07 AM »
Yep, it's polybutylene. IIRC the problem was not the pipe but the connectors. Around here the age range to watch out for is something built in the mid- to late-80's. I presume that age should be pretty universal for any area in the U.S.

Link to the lawsuit settlement - http://www.rustylayton.com/hi/pbnotice.html

Pic of pipe and connectors used - http://www.atechplumbing.com/images/pic1.jpg

Be careful that you don't confuse PB with pex, which is now commonly used. It is usually color coded - red and blue - but can be just about any color.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2006, 08:21:45 AM »
"IIRC the problem was not the pipe but the connectors."

Both the pipe and the connectors are freak shows.
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