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« on: August 21, 2006, 02:26:56 PM »
Can anyone give me GOOD ADVICE on a used popup tent camper I'm looking at buying. It's a Palomino Yearling 1991. Had new canves put on in 1996 do to a big tear in it from a storm thrown tree branch.

It did have some water damage to the particle board flooring which the present owners fixed by taking it apart and putting in plywood. They basicaly took the camper apart and rebuilt it to as new or better to the best of their ability.

The husband worked 30 plus years as a maintaince man at a factory so he has a lot of skills in that area.

It has new tires as well as a new spare. Three burner stove which can be removed and hooked up outside. Furnace. Awning. They want $1,500 for it. If anyone has any experience with this brand/model of camper I would like to hear any thing you have to say about it good and bad.

Also is this a good price for what I will be getting if I buy it?

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2006, 04:06:05 PM »
I have never owned a pop-up camper but have had a lot of friends that have owned them and still own them. I have been inside a few of them but never stayed the night. I'm a tent camper and I like the privacy I can get in my tent.

Pros I have heard, these are not brand specific

light weight can be pulled by just about anything
easy to store
easy to winterize
can be set up in smaller campsites
great if you are only using it a few times a year
just like tent camping except you can load all your crap up into a trailer

negatives
canvas leaks
canvas rots
uncomfortable beds
hard to keep heated in colder months
hard to keep cool with air conditioner
have to set up once home to dry out the canvas, just like a tent.
pain to set up and tear down.
can hear everything going on outside

Wife is interested in a pull behinds trailer someday and she is pretty set on a airstream. Her folks owned a pop up when she was a kid in the 70's and remembers her dad not liking it and she wasn't too fond of it either.

Whenever we get around to getting a camper, I hope no time soon because I love to tent camp, we'll probably get a little airstream or a shasta with wings. (something from the 50's) The will probably be a winter project for the both of us with me doing the structural work, wiring and plumbing and she'll do the final fitting it out.

good luck on your camper quest.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 04:42:01 PM »
I bought a new Viking pop-up two years ago, and I love it.  I had looked at used ones, and all of the ones in good condition were approximately $1,000 less than the cost of a new one.

Mine has vinyl, not canvas.  I don't know when they switched materials, but the vinyl is definitely lower maintenance than canvas.

I don't consider it difficult to put up.  The large tent I had before it took longer and required two people; my pop-up is a one person, ten minute job.

The beds are comfy enough, and it has a forced-air furnace that is more than adequate for Michigan winters.

Anyway, regarding the one you're looking at, if it's in good shape and needs little or nothing, then it's worth $1500.  New ones start around $4500.

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2006, 05:25:01 AM »
Sounds like a good buy.  I was recently in the market, and bought a small camper, though not pop-up, it was a hard-sided model.

I wish I had bought a bigger one, with either slide-outs or hybrid soft-opening a la pop-ups.

The money they're asking, if it's functional, is an EXCELLENT buy.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2006, 08:07:21 AM »
I would look into what new canvas is going to cost. A 15 year old camper that has any kind of use will probably need to have it replaced in the near future if it has not been replaced already.

$1500 sounds like a great deal if it does not need canvas replacement, and a fair deal if it does.

My suggestion is to look in the local papers and see what people are trying to get for them. That should give you a good idea what it is really worth.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 03:09:26 PM »
It sounds like a good deal to me, but a couple of questions:
Did they replace it with canvas or the newer materials in use today?  Check the seams.
How about the wheel bearings?
Does it have brakes/are they ok?
If the beds slide out, did they replace that wood as well?
What condition is the top in?

We have got a lot of use from ours, and continue to do so.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 04:07:16 PM »
I'll second the check the canvas well , also watch it being erected and collapsed , pay particular attention to the even rise and fall of the four corner posts , most use a cranked cable drive system to go up and down. If they have been replaced and they did a good job you'll never notice , but if they were done by a DIY chances are the posts will be "out of time" and herky jerky going up and down.

Not a deal breaker , but something to be aware of.

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2006, 02:45:34 PM »
My $0.02 is that I can't see why someone would bother with pulling a trailer and NOT get a conventional hard-side camper trailer...?

Lots of the tent trailers have little tiny wheels and tires which require a lot of maintenance because they have to turn so fast, and they often have less ground clearance than a hard-side.

I'm not sure I'd want to be in a tent trailer in a high wind - it might become airborne Wink

Roadrunner used to make good camper trailers, and there are still a lot of them around used - at least out west.  I've had two: a 14' and a 17'

But with gas the way it is, a walmart tent might be the best option - use it a season or two and throw it away.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2006, 04:25:38 PM »
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My $0.02 is that I can't see why someone would bother with pulling a trailer and NOT get a conventional hard-side camper trailer...?
I want one because I can't get a standard camper in my garage (where I'd have to store it).  Heck, my 4Runner barely fits.

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2006, 04:49:46 PM »
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My $0.02 is that I can't see why someone would bother with pulling a trailer and NOT get a conventional hard-side camper trailer...?
I have a pop-up for two reasons.  It fits in my garage, and I can tow it without losing my center rear view.

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2006, 04:53:42 PM »
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My $0.02 is that I can't see why someone would bother with pulling a trailer and NOT get a conventional hard-side camper trailer...?
I want one because I can't get a standard camper in my garage (where I'd have to store it).  Heck, my 4Runner barely fits.

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they make hard sided pop ups also. ones that fold into itself and ones that collapse in two.


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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2006, 11:50:25 AM »
I have a hard camper that I want to sell and get a pop up for.  Why?

Too big.  I loose my view out the back and sides.  No place to store it.  So big, we never use it.  Ever.  Gas mileage.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2006, 12:02:20 PM »
Far as I'm concerned, if you can't see the stars while you're lying in your sleeping bag, you ain't camping!  Therefore, I know nothing about campers.

Sorry...

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2006, 12:12:30 PM »
We bought mine because I commuted 100 miles each way for a year.  Oil changes every 3 weeks sucked.  We decided to get a camper to leave down the street from work for the summer.  I wanted a pop-up, $$$ wise it made sense.  Salesman and wife talked me into a 31' Travel trailer.

It was PERFECT for what I needed- 1-2 nights week for the summer.  I knew it would be.  I was thinking long term.  Wife wasn't.  Salesman was thinking $$$.

We bought her, used her a fair amount that summer, and now she sits.  She has been out of the driveway once in the last 2 years.

She beautiful.  She was the show demo, so she was "technically" new (ie no one slept in her), but she she was reg'd for the shows, she was used.

I have every option there is.

However, 31' is a big box to tow around for 1 or 2 nights of camping, no?

I LOVE and miss tent camping, but life is full of compromises, and the wife would stay in this.  Tenting it was not for her.  She tried it, hated it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2006, 12:18:30 PM »
Oh yeah, I'd never get my wife in a tent either, we already talked about it. LOL...
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2006, 02:18:08 PM »
Sounds like a good buy if it is in good shape.

I love pop-ups.  When I was in high school my parents had one.  I was very upset when they sold it (I was 18 so a bit young to buy it from them myself).

In some ways they are the best of both worlds.  They are more "camping" than a regular trailer.  With the canvas (or now nylon) sides you are basically outside with plenty of fresh air, the smells of the outdoors, and you simply feel more connection with the outdoors.  They are also a lot lighter than a regular trailer (a big advantage since no cars are rated for over 2K LBS anymore and mini-vans and smaller SUVs are usually only rated for 3K or 3500 LBS- that includes equipment, gear and passengers in the tow vehicle, few regular trailers are going to be under even the 3500LBS figure).  Compared to a tent there are also advantages.  You are raised off the ground (more comfort), have relatively comfortable bunks (more comfort), better ventilation than most tents (when the windows are open you have near as much screened window space as a screen room), more protected in bad weather, you can set them up with heat and AC, you have a sink and electricity and instead of taking storage space in your trunk (like a tent) you get a lot more space to stow your stuff.

I would definately like to buy one as soon as I can.

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My $0.02 is that I can't see why someone would bother with pulling a trailer and NOT get a conventional hard-side camper trailer...?
Lets see, some reasons someone would pick a pop-up over a hard-sided camper:

-Weight.  Trailers need a vehicle with a lot more trailer pulling capacity than a pop-up.  Many people may find their existing car, minivan or smaller SUV can pull a pop-up but not a conventional travel trailer.

-More aerodynamic shape.  They disappear behind your car.  This combined with the weight and they are FAR easier to tow.

-Price.  You can get a new pop-up (depending upon the specific model) for as little as $5K, a top of the line model with all the bells and whistles around $10K or so, and used you can be under $2K without buying someone else's problem.  

-Connection with the outdoors.  With the canvas or nylon sides a pop-up still gives you about as much connection with the outdoors as a tent, but with quite a bit more comfort.  A hard sided trailer, you may as well do a hotel (OK, a slight exaggeration since in a trailer you can hang out outside for a while and even do a campfire, but with w/w carpeting, TVs, microwaves, bathrooms with showers, etc. it is hard to say a regular trailer is truly camping).

-Fun.  A pop-up isn't just some compromise between the advantages of a tent and a trailer.  They are quite a bit of fun on their own.

-Gas mileage.  If you have a big truck that can pull anything you probably won't see a difference in your pop-up pulling mileage V. your day to day driving, a regular trailer will cut it down quite a bit.  If you don't have something that can pull a good sized trailer already and are also shopping for a tow vehicle you can pick something smaller and that gets much better gas mileage.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2006, 03:09:58 PM »
"However, 31' is a big box to tow around for 1 or 2 nights of camping, no?"

Yeah, I was talking about something like our 17' camper trailer - stove, sink, refrigerator, and 2 double beds.  I bought it to live in the woods during the week when I was logging.  Paid $1500 for it I think.  Of course I have a pickup to pull it with - doesn't everybody...? Tongue

Mostly I just use a tent when camping for fun - you can go into more remote places when not pulling any sort of trailer.  Sometimes I would just sling a tarp between trees or sleep under the stars if it is dry.  I don't camp out much anymore ... don't need to when my house it out in the woods Wink
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006, 01:39:03 AM »
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Oh yeah, I'd never get my wife in a tent either, we already talked about it. LOL...
Yeah, now "my" idea (thanks to the wife) of camping is the 31' box.  Sleeps 9, A/C, Heat, Frig, Freezer, Bathroom, shower, Cable TV.  Oh, 2 sunroofs to look at the stars.  And a 21' awning so you don't get wet if it rains.  Ah, roughing it...


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280- Our "compromise" tent came from LL bean.  It has a screen house.  Then "we" had to have cots.  We used it once.

Did I mention that before my wife helped me to "find" camping, I slept on the ground?

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