Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup

[Ron]

NY Post article that has a modest amount of   as well as things that make you go hmmm.

After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors.

But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals.

It was kept secret and remains so today.

The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/

[Sergeant Bob]

I'll wait for a more credible source, like the National Enquirer.

[AZRedhawk44]

Whether they did or did not assist is irrelevant to me.

The Saudi Kingdom is a horrible place.  It belongs in the Middle East.

The entire region's philosophy towards freedom is a leading reason why I ride a motorcycle as often as possible.  I want as little money as possible to go to them.

[AJ Dual]

If I had to bet, if any of the well-heeled Saudis who helped actually knew these guys intended to hijack planes, much less kamikaze them into buildings, they’d have run the other way, and hard. They certainly knew what they were doing was illegal, and “sneaky”, but that’s also 90% of how life is lived over there.

My gut feeling on this that it was more about “helping” OBL and AQ for how it played out back in the internal politics and royal politics of Saudi Arabia.  I doubt they understood or knew what 9/11 was going to be. These were people too far removed from the influence or graft from the House of Saud, doing what they could to curry favor with the next set of “cool kids” in upper echelon Saudi Life.

So in that sense, I think they were “used”, and would have never touched it, or the 12 hijackers, if only for selfish reasons of self-preservation if they understood that the 12 hijackers were “for real” and not just “play terrorists” jockeying for hardliner cred and the money and life abroad it could bring them. Congress and the Admin didn’t want the war drumbeat focusing on Saudi Arabia for a whole slew of political and economic reasons, and especially when the folks involved probably didn’t actually “want” 9/11, despite the aid they gave to its ultimate execution.

I agree, the whole place is an execrable pit, partly screwed up by the British, but mostly by the religion and culture of the region.  And why we should use nuclear at least as much as the French do. 

[drewtam]

Going nuke wouldn't have much impact on oil consumption, unless we used it to create synthetic fuels.

[AJ Dual]

Going nuke wouldn't have much impact on oil consumption, unless we used it to create synthetic fuels.

We don't get/use that much from SA to begin with roughly 8-10% depending on the market.

Even just dropping OPEC imports by 2%, not even SA's portion of it, just OPEC, we would royally screw them over, (Venezuela too...) because it would create enough glut to screw up their price on the world exchange and futures markets.

[Nick1911]

We don't get/use that much from SA to begin with roughly 8-10% depending on the market.

Even just dropping OPEC imports by 2%, not even SA's portion of it, just OPEC, we would royally screw them over, (Venezuela too...) because it would create enough glut to screw up their price on the world exchange and futures markets.

Then they drop production to maintain current pricing at the new demand level.  It is a cartel, after all -- why wouldn't they collude in such a manner?

[drewtam]

We don't get/use that much from SA to begin with roughly 8-10% depending on the market.

Even just dropping OPEC imports by 2%, not even SA's portion of it, just OPEC, we would royally screw them over, (Venezuela too...) because it would create enough glut to screw up their price on the world exchange and futures markets.

That doesn't sound right...Are they really super screwed now?

We've already cut imports by 13%. ~9.2 down to ~8
With 13% cuts off the top of OPEC. ~6300 down to ~5500

Sure part of that is the financial crash and depression, but part is domestic production growth. Yet here we are at $100/bbl.

[AJ Dual]

You're both right.

Even if OPEC didn't collude, I'd imagine that commodity markets and futures markets would largely smooth out oil costs per barrel anyway.  Meh. 

Although honestly, taking the long view, we need the oil for petrochemicals, plastics, lubricants, fertilizer, drugs, solvents etc. burning it for heat and motion seems short sighted in the long run.

Although I suppose if you've got an excess of fission or fusion energy to play with, reverse depolymerization on almost any carbon feedstock or waste stock should always be possible.

[Balog]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/truther-jihadist-wishes-alqaeda-had-committed-911,33421/

[agricola]

If I had to bet, if any of the well-heeled Saudis who helped actually knew these guys intended to hijack planes, much less kamikaze them into buildings, they’d have run the other way, and hard. They certainly knew what they were doing was illegal, and “sneaky”, but that’s also 90% of how life is lived over there.

My gut feeling on this that it was more about “helping” OBL and AQ for how it played out back in the internal politics and royal politics of Saudi Arabia.  I doubt they understood or knew what 9/11 was going to be. These were people too far removed from the influence or graft from the House of Saud, doing what they could to curry favor with the next set of “cool kids” in upper echelon Saudi Life.

So in that sense, I think they were “used”, and would have never touched it, or the 12 hijackers, if only for selfish reasons of self-preservation if they understood that the 12 hijackers were “for real” and not just “play terrorists” jockeying for hardliner cred and the money and life abroad it could bring them. Congress and the Admin didn’t want the war drumbeat focusing on Saudi Arabia for a whole slew of political and economic reasons, and especially when the folks involved probably didn’t actually “want” 9/11, despite the aid they gave to its ultimate execution.

I agree, the whole place is an execrable pit, partly screwed up by the British, but mostly by the religion and culture of the region.  And why we should use nuclear at least as much as the French do. 

Perhaps, though what they have done since 9/11 (especially who they have openly been giving money, support and arms to) would suggest that they knew exactly what they were doing.  One also has to wonder whether a similar set of associations would have been viewed so benignly if it was the Iranians who had been caught giving money to the 9/11 plotters.

[Scout26]

Then they drop production to maintain current pricing at the new demand level.  It is a cartel, after all -- why wouldn't they collude in such a manner?

The problem that they have is that they all "cheat" on their production quotas.   That's what has happened in the past when they have attempted to reduce supply to raise the price.