"Cop Killer" Bullets!

[Sergeant Bob]

I started watching a new series called Chicago PD, (likely in response to "Chicago Fire, a lame series in itself) and they had an episode referring to "Cop Killer Bullets" (you know, the Teflon tipped one which can pierce "Kevlar Armor"). I am just infuriated by these lame writers tactic to get uneducated people to watch these show and think (OMG, Cop Killer Bullets!!!eleventy11! which can penetrate Kevlar ZOMG!!!) bullets! I try to teach her that the average .223 round (of which I own about 1000 (I know, that's not a lot) can penetrate a kevlar vest, but, she has a tendency to believe what she hears on the news, or on TWee shows.

I am so tired of this anti BS, which the average TV watcher believes to be the truth. I AM Done with this kind of TV. My wife thinks it's all factually based. I try to educate her on the fallacies of this BS but, she is from Panama, where people tend to believe what the govt feeds them (much like the U.S.) I am just so sick of this *expletive deleted*it I have trouble explaining tp her what is truth and what is blissninny hyperbole. I really hope I'm getting though to her. I have changed her mind on a few things she accepted as truth so, I think I can convince her as to how she accepts this as truth.

Being from Panama, and living though the Noriega "administration" she is somewhat open to the idea that govt is not always the answer.

Just a rant, and I appreciate you all listening.

[AZRedhawk44]

I don't know how old your wife is, and anecdote is not the singular form of data and all that jazz...

But I dated a girl from Panama that lived through "Operation Just Because" as a little girl.  She has hated US foreign policy ever since.  She has been anti-gun ever since.  She saw anything that was pro-gun as being pro-US-imperialism.  She hated everything about guns and she was with me the day I made a pair of hole-touching headshots on a rattlesnake with a Colt .45 to save my dog from being bit.

She was smokin' hot and I put up with a lot, but couldn't reconcile our differences and we went our separate ways.

Some people just equate potential force with belligerence, rather than belligerence with justified use of force.

[Stand_watie]

Simple graphic suggestion to help you illustrate your point. Place .22 LR next to .45 acp round and ask her which she thinks is more zomg'ee or cop killer'ish. Explain.

[RoadKingLarry]

 

If they "edumacate" enough people sheeple That any bullet that can penetrate a cop's bullet proof vest is obvioulsy bad and should be outlawed it will be easier to pass laws against any bullet/cartridge that will penetrate a cop's bullet proof vest.

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[TommyGunn]

I remember to this day watching an episode of "COPS" in which the officers had to respond to a case where a man was armed with a rifle.  As they approached the man dropped the rifle and fled.
Recovering the rifle, which turned out to be a lever-action .30-30 the officer explained to the camera; "if that man had shot me with this, the bullet would have gone through my ballistic vest, through me, and again penetrated my ballistic vest on its way out."
Now, should we ban .30-30 because it's a "cop-killer" bullet?

[Perd Hapley]

I'd be really surprised if the writers knew the truth about "cop killer bullets." They're probably just writing about something they think is really out there.

[vaskidmark]

I'd be really surprised if the writers knew the truth about "cop killer bullets." They're probably just writing about something they think is really out there.

Which seems to be the point of the whole rant.

Well, that and that folks watching are more likely than not to believe everything they see/hear on the show, just like they believe everything the characters on CSI can do.

What we need is a banner running continuously at the bottom of the picture, saying something like "This is a work of fiction.  Nothing you see or hear resembles how things are in the real world.  It's a [expletive deleted] fairy story, you morons.  And by the way, there are no houses made of gingeerbread and candy in the woods, either."

stay safe.

[Sergeant Bob]

I'd be really surprised if the writers knew the truth about "cop killer bullets." They're probably just writing about something they think is really out there.

Which seems to be the point of the whole rant.

Well, that and that folks watching are more likely than not to believe everything they see/hear on the show, just like they believe everything the characters on CSI can do.

What we need is a banner running continuously at the bottom of the picture, saying something like "This is a work of fiction.  Nothing you see or hear resembles how things are in the real world.  It's a [expletive deleted] fairy story, you morons.  And by the way, there are no houses made of gingeerbread and candy in the woods, either."

stay safe.

Ya both hit the nail.

[TechMan]

Which seems to be the point of the whole rant.

Well, that and that folks watching are more likely than not to believe everything they see/hear on the show, just like they believe everything the characters on CSI can do.

What we need is a banner running continuously at the bottom of the picture, saying something like "This is a work of fiction.  Nothing you see or hear resembles how things are in the real world.  It's a [expletive deleted] fairy story, you morons.  And by the way, there are no houses made of gingeerbread and candy in the woods, either."

stay safe.

The problem is that a majority of Americans are detached from reality and do believe what they see on TV is real.  Goes back to bread and circuses.

[fifth_column]

If they "edumacate" enough people sheeple That any bullet that can penetrate a cop's bullet proof vest is obvioulsy bad and should be outlawed it will be easier to pass laws against any bullet/cartridge that will penetrate a cop's bullet proof vest.

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It also elevates police to a higher status than regular citizens. 

[Nick1911]

I'd be really surprised if the writers knew the truth about "cop killer bullets." They're probably just writing about something they think is really out there.

Similar problem I've encountered with people I work with, techy nerd types.

On any particular topic they don't know much about, the standard course of action is to punch it into google and start reading what people have written about it.  Now while there are some good, reliable sources of information (wikipedia, etc) there's an awful lot of crap that people have written on topics that they themselves have only a cursory level of knowledge on and little if any personal experience. 

So now the techy has accepted what some dude on a forum wrote as the word of god, and suddenly thinks he knows something about the topic.  With a complete lack of personal experience, and information gleaned from an unreliable source.

The best part is when they start pontificating on - speaking authoritatively educating others with their misinformation.

[HankB]

Note that the "Chicago PD" episode mentioning "Cop Killer" bullets aired on NBC.

NBC is the network that educated criminals by sensationalizing "Cop Killer" bullets - metal penetrating rounds coated with Teflon - made by a company called KTW, and sold ONLY to police.

NBC is also the network on which Tom Brokaw used video of machine guns being fired as he did the voice-over reporting on the then-proposed Clinton assault weapon ban - a propaganda tactic he REPEATED a couple of weeks later even after the network was deluged by a flood of complaints; this demonstrated convincingly an INTENT to deceive. (Brokaw also did the reporting on exploding GM pickups, using footage of a pickup that caught fire after being rigged by NBC staffers with an incendiary device, showing the depths of their deception knew no bounds.)

Bottom line: NBC, as a network, has an agenda - and will warp and twist reality to further that agenda.

[Balog]

The problem is that a majority of Americans are detached from reality and do believe what they see on TV is real.  Goes back to bread and circuses.

I actually think this is a universal... well, I can't say problem, but lets call it a feature of stories. Humans communicate truths through story, and they always have. Anyone who consumes media of any type is susceptible. Here's an article that sort of obliquely looks at what I'm talking about. http://thefederalist.com/2013/11/22/new-satire-deception/

There was another one I can't find at the moment that was more on point, but I'll try to summarize.
 
Let's say you watch a police procedural, like Law & Order or CSI or something. Being a gun person, you'll probably recognize that their gun handling is absurd: holding the pistol next to their face for the dramatic closeup that gets the gun in shot is probably the most famous example, but the vast majority of everything the characters do with a gun is equally stupid and or dangerous. But what about all of the things it shows that you don't know anything about? Every police show I've seen features the characters "going down to the morgue" with either the explicit or implicit suggestion that it's in a different section of the police station. I can't say that no cop shops are set up this way, but I've never seen one that is. Morgues are generally in their own building separate from law enforcement functions. And every morgue I've worked at has had big open freezers with the bodies on shelves, not the photogenic "wall of individual dead guy compartments." There are a million little background details that your brain takes in and absent direct reason to doubt it, just accepts as fact. It's even worse with period entertainment.



Most folks who have not studied historical dialect in depth can't tell Chaucerian English from Elizabethan. King Arthur is always shown in plate and mail even though the period he lived in (if he was an actual historical figure at all) would have been hundreds of years before its development.

And on and on. Any aspect of life where it's studied (gun handling by people who watch TV, effects of watching porn on sexual relationships etc etc) shows that even when the viewer knows full well that what is happening is not realistic, it still greatly influences their attitudes and thinking.

[Perd Hapley]

All of what Balog says sounds truthy to me, though I know nothing about morgues. I know just enough about the Middle Ages to know that half of what is portrayed in movies is even more confused than I am.

What always cracks me up about the police procedurals are the half-a-dozen people working tirelessly on one case, for a week, without ever seeming to take any time to sleep, or work on anything else.

[Jim147]

Maybe I should hide that box. 

jim

[bedlamite]

All of what Balog says sounds truthy to me, though I know nothing about morgues. I know just enough about the Middle Ages to know that half of what is portrayed in movies is even more confused than I am.

On second thought, let's not go there. It's a silly place.

[RoadKingLarry]

It is not!

[French G.]

Just wait until the media latches onto the RIP ammo.

[AZRedhawk44]

Even if RIP is an awesome spinny buzz-saw that seeks out kevlar and chews perfect .355 diameter holes through it like a drill press (which it ain't), it doesn't matter.  There's a legitimate 2A checks and balances need for "cop killer" bullets.

[French G.]

Even if RIP is an awesome spinny buzz-saw that seeks out kevlar and chews perfect .355 diameter holes through it like a drill press (which it ain't), it doesn't matter.  There's a legitimate 2A checks and balances need for "cop killer" bullets.

Nobody has said that there is not as far as I can tell. And most of our ammo by default is, no marketing required. It's not for nothing that a whole class of knives and tactics evolved to exploit gaps and edges in plate armor once the rich guy was unhorsed. It's been a need for a long time and evolves just like the larger arms v. armor race. These days some peasants stock black tip even.

[rcnixon]

It's story, fiction. It's main purpose is to anesthetize you and sell you stuff you might not ordinarily buy. Stop watching it, it's bad for your brain.

Russ

[Sergeant Bob]

It's story, fiction. It's main purpose is to anesthetize you and sell you stuff you might not ordinarily buy. Stop watching it, it's bad for your brain.

Russ

Yes it is, and I'm done with it.