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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2014, 10:55:01 PM »
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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2014, 11:04:26 PM »
^ Lordy, lordy, let me not giggle at that story...

Actually, at the time of my mother's passing (1983 or so) there was no trouble shipping her Cremains out here to Colorado because of a misunderstanding, and I had no problem shipping them back to NY for final interment with my father.

Dunno if that's still true for Cremains.

Yep.  Dunno.

My one son was cremated out in NH, after autopsy and positive ID.  He was in absolutely awful condition when the landlord found him.  Shipped back here for the funeral.  I joked that it was UPS, but I really don't know.  I could probably look at the funeral home bill and find out how the shipping went.

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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2014, 01:25:39 AM »
My one son was cremated out in NH, after autopsy and positive ID.  He was in absolutely awful condition when the landlord found him.  Shipped back here for the funeral.  I joked that it was UPS, but I really don't know.  I could probably look at the funeral home bill and find out how the shipping went.

Internet search says that registered mail would be very likely.  Priority mail express if it happened today.  UPS/FEDEX absolutely refuse to touch human remains, even cremated.

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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2014, 09:25:37 AM »
^ "UPS/FEDEX absolutely refuse to touch human remains, even cremated."

I wonder what the rationale is on that.  

I do know that there was a rather strongly-worded  certification on the sealed box of Cremains I received (and sent back to my relatives) by the crematorium or funeral home or somebody "official" that it indeed contained the remains of my mother, by name, Mrs. Terry's Mother. (So I never broke the seal and opened the box and told my relatives not to do that, either.)

I wonder if somehow there is a real bad liability issue or something for the shippers if Cremains get lost or mixed up or whatever.  

But part of the reason for this "certification" might have been because final interment was to be in a Catholic cemetery, and the cemetery had to be assured that the cremains were indeed of a person worthy to be buried in Catholic "consecrated ground."  

I had to (remotely) dig up Church records from back in NY and get a letter from the local Bishop to prove that to the cemetery before they'd open my father's grave and inter her with him.

It was quite a struggle.  Adding it all up, it cumulatively took me the better part of a year to get it all straightened out, including a notarized sworn statement from me as to how come I got her Cremains here in Colorado in the first place.

All this is what prompted my interest in what I could do to make my own disposal a "turnkey" operation for my sons, including the possibility of pre-paid disposal costs.

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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2014, 11:09:37 AM »
Not sure why UPS does not want to deal with them, but funeral homes are fairly regularly getting bad publicity for mixing up who goes to whom/where.  (Unless they are just stacking them out in the garage.  http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2003/06/21/8-decomposing-bodies-found-stored-at-funeral-home.html  http://www.wopular.com/comment/reply/24157598

And never trust the TSA to follow their own rules (Duh!)  http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/9087-tsa-agent-opens-grandfathers-cremated-remains-spills-them-laughs-at-grandson/

The more I look into this the more I'm thinking that renting a pickup from U-Haul and entering all the places to get dry ice as waypoints on the GPS might be both the cheapest and easiest way.  Original death cetificate in my pocket and a laminated copy in the box.

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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2014, 11:55:54 AM »
Small refrigerated truci or van

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2014, 12:07:44 PM »
Small refrigerated truci or van

I knew some rich folks from Texas who made an annual pilgimage to Bella Coola BC to fish for salmon.  They had a big chest freezer in the back of their pickup and topper.  They would plug it in with an extension cord every night at a motel, and their catch stayed cold throughout the day as they drove back south.

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2014, 12:58:11 PM »

And never trust the TSA to follow their own rules (Duh!)  http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/9087-tsa-agent-opens-grandfathers-cremated-remains-spills-them-laughs-at-grandson/

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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2014, 06:16:12 PM »
Fedex and UPS use very high speed conveyor lines in their sort systems.  If the lid on grandma's ashes isn't screwed real tight, grandma may end up all over the belts, packages, and the floor in their sort buildings.   I'm not sure they would even accept human remains (I know Airborne Express did not, not even cremations.)

USPS is probably the best way to go, IF THEY ACCEPT THEM.

Again, consult your local funeral home, they are the experts.  ;)
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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2014, 06:44:10 PM »
The more I look into this the more I'm thinking that renting a pickup from U-Haul and entering all the places to get dry ice as waypoints on the GPS might be both the cheapest and easiest way.  Original death cetificate in my pocket and a laminated copy in the box.

Shouldn't need more than an initial load of dry ice.  You need 2 containers - wrap body well in plastic or something waterproof, surround with regular ice in inner package.  In outer package fill with dry ice, then wrap & insulate that.  DO NOT make the outer package air tight.  It will off gas as the CO2 evaporates.

USPS is probably the best way to go, IF THEY ACCEPT THEM.

Per their site they do if you follow their rules.  You can even get a 'cremated remains' sticker so the box gets extra-special handling.  Fedex and UPS say they don't.

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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2014, 01:57:19 AM »
We did a "burial at sea" on my last boat. WWII sub veteran. Took the ashes out to sea and made a special surface op for the ceremony. The Officer of the Deck got to do the honors. He opened the container and dumped the ashes on the windward side of the boat. The ashes coated the side of the sail and swirled back into the bridge and onto everyone in fhe bridge. Being that the boat was still wet the ashes made a nice paste where ever they settled.   I'm pretty sure the old guy was still riding around on the boat when it was decommissioned.
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Re: cadaver transport and associated fees
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2014, 09:06:31 AM »
Thought you could not be made OOD until you learned not to __ into the wind.

Musta been the Old Navy.

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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2014, 10:52:59 AM »
We did a "burial at sea" on my last boat. WWII sub veteran. Took the ashes out to sea and made a special surface op for the ceremony. The Officer of the Deck got to do the honors. He opened the container and dumped the ashes on the windward side of the boat. The ashes coated the side of the sail and swirled back into the bridge and onto everyone in fhe bridge. Being that the boat was still wet the ashes made a nice paste where ever they settled.   I'm pretty sure the old guy was still riding around on the boat when it was decommissioned.
I knew a guy in Alaska that told me about trying to spread ashes from a small plane (he was a pilot/instructor).

He said he opened a window and then took the lid off the container.  The wind promptly sucked all the ashes out and all over the cockpit. 

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« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2014, 12:51:31 AM »
Apparently there are flight companies who know how to do aerial scattering properly.

Then there's S. Hunter Thompson's ash-scattering by cannon.
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