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On Friday the IRS announced that five more employees had computer crashes. These five were being investigated for helping target conservative groups in the 2012 elections. (Story).

This now brings to more than 20 the number of employees under investigation who have had computer crashes that erased all of their emails related to the investigation.

I can't believe that nobody is screaming at the top of his lungs about this. This is a much bigger scandal than Nixon's secretary "accidentally" erasing 18 minutes of tape. But the press doesn't talk about it, and certainly doesn't editorialize about it.

We have the NSA monitoring our phone calls, the IRS targetting groups for political purposes, the NSA tapping the phones of reporters and members of congress, and much more, and you can hear crickets.

I never thought it would get this bad.


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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 12:55:11 PM »
On Friday the IRS announced that five more employees had computer crashes. These five were being investigated for helping target conservative groups in the 2012 elections. (Story).

This now brings to more than 20 the number of employees under investigation who have had computer crashes that erased all of their emails related to the investigation.

I can't believe that nobody is screaming at the top of his lungs about this. This is a much bigger scandal than Nixon's secretary "accidentally" erasing 18 minutes of tape. But the press doesn't talk about it, and certainly doesn't editorialize about it.

We have the NSA monitoring our phone calls, the IRS targetting groups for political purposes, the NSA tapping the phones of reporters and members of congress, and much more, and you can hear crickets.

I never thought it would get this bad.

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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 01:04:14 PM »
"Well, yeah, but we're not a police state."
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 01:42:56 PM »
We live in a banana republic now. The ruling party does have some opposition, but they clearly can act lawlessly without repercussion.

Once a country gives up the rule of law for the rule of men (as we have), I very much doubt if the "progress" can be reversed. Why would the next Democrat elected to any executive office respect the law? Obama has already shown that the people of this nation don't really care what the law is. All they care about is if the president "cares about people like them."
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 01:47:12 PM »
All Americans who owe money to the IRS for 2014 should claim computer crashes instead of making their payments.
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2014, 02:53:07 PM »
All Americans who owe money to the IRS for 2014 should claim computer crashes instead of making their payments.

There was actually a bill drafted by a Republican member of congress that would have allowed taxpayers to use computer crashes, etc as excuses for not having information available for audits. It was a direct jab at the IRS scandals. Didn't go anywhere, obviously.

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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2014, 02:54:58 PM »
It was called the "Dog Ate My Homework" bill. Seriously.

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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2014, 03:29:46 PM »
We live in a banana republic now. The ruling party does have some opposition, but they clearly can act lawlessly without repercussion.

Once a country gives up the rule of law for the rule of men (as we have), I very much doubt if the "progress" can be reversed. Why would the next Democrat elected to any executive office respect the law? Obama has already shown that the people of this nation don't really care what the law is. All they care about is if the president "cares about people like them."

Why would the next Republican elected to any executive office respect the law?

Point to precedent and do as he pleases.
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2014, 03:31:36 PM »
All Americans who owe money to the IRS for 2014 should claim computer crashes instead of making their payments.

All Americans with jobs should change their withholding amount to zero.  We'll pay in April.  If our computers don't crash.



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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2014, 03:43:14 PM »
All Americans with jobs should change their withholding amount to zero.  We'll pay in April.  If our computers don't crash.




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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2014, 04:37:09 PM »
Why would the next Republican elected to any executive office respect the law?

Point to precedent and do as he pleases.

Because he would be hounded in the press and the Democrats WILL press charges. We have one party rule because the press is now an organ of the party. (And the Democrats are well versed in Lawfare.)
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2014, 05:01:31 PM »
Because he would be hounded in the press and the Democrats WILL press charges. We have one party rule because the press is now an organ of the party. (And the Democrats are well versed in Lawfare.)

Yea, put a Republican in an Attorney General slot and watch how quick Republicans become well versed in Lawfare.

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Yea, put a Republican in an Attorney General slot and watch how quick Republicans become well versed in Lawfare.


Absolute bull. There are dozens of Republican state Attorneys General and probably almost as many Republican federal prosecutors (yes, that was on purpose). Can you tell me which one of them has filed bogus charges against ANY Democrat for political gain?
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Absolute bull. There are dozens of Republican state Attorneys General and probably almost as many Republican federal prosecutors (yes, that was on purpose). Can you tell me which one of them has filed bogus charges against ANY Democrat for political gain?
Heck I can name a local DA that has filed endless investigations, subpeonas, swat raids, and other forms of harassment against our governor and everyone connected to him without anyone ever being charged... err wait, you meant republicans filing bogus charges  against democrats over politics?nevermind.
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2014, 11:04:07 PM »
It's a values thing . In one party you can bugger an underage kid and stand with your back to congress when they censure you.  The other not so much


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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2014, 03:34:56 AM »
Just to be clear here, I doubt I've ever managed to go for a 5 year period without my .gov computer crashing at least once.

It's not necessarily a HD failure, but 'nuke and re-image' is a common fix for lesser stuff due to limited IT resources to actually fix the underlying problem, whatever it might be.

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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2014, 04:40:05 AM »
Just to be clear here, I doubt I've ever managed to go for a 5 year period without my .gov computer crashing at least once.

It's not necessarily a HD failure, but 'nuke and re-image' is a common fix for lesser stuff due to limited IT resources to actually fix the underlying problem, whatever it might be.

True. I just yesterday got my .mil computer back from a reimageing. Which is one of the reasons my emails (and everyone elses) are stored o  the DISA server. In fact the most annoying thing about getting a new image is waiting while outlook re downloads my whole mailbox. Takes forever.

The only time the .gov computers have "lost" email in my 13 years of full time work for them is when we switched exchanges. And there was 6 months of emails and warnings that would happen.

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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2014, 10:07:37 AM »
True. I just yesterday got my .mil computer back from a reimageing. Which is one of the reasons my emails (and everyone elses) are stored o  the DISA server. In fact the most annoying thing about getting a new image is waiting while outlook re downloads my whole mailbox. Takes forever.

The only time the .gov computers have "lost" email in my 13 years of full time work for them is when we switched exchanges. And there was 6 months of emails and warnings that would happen.

Yup. I can't believe any .gov office would still have local mailservers, leaving it up to local network admins (often collateral duty) to backup mail whenever they get around to it and on whatever schedule.

Data, on the other hand, is another story. There are supposed to be rules for it, but there is no .gov-wide requirement to backup data to centralized servers. Part of it is due to bandwidth. Often field offices just don't have the bandwidth to be able to backup all computers to someplace in DC or wherever. While there are "rules" for daily backup, I saw my share of those rules being ignored or modified. For instance, site admins would do daily backups and offsite backups of whatever was stored on the local servers, but they would leave it up to individual users to put their files on the server. So if somebody had a bunch of important files on their assigned computer, but didn't move copies to the local server, if the computer crashed, those files were just gone.

Again, I saw this mostly at field sites. A DC or other big regional office would generally have the staff and bandwidth to back everything up centrally, and offsite for COOP. Though from what I've been reading, IRS IT sounds like kind of a mess all around. At least the management part.
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2014, 10:29:04 AM »
The IRS computer breakdowns are not an IT mess or a software glitch- they are intentional.
The odds against that every account that gets subpeona'd ends up with a computer crash and data loss are beyond astronomical.
Lois Lerner's Blackberry was destroyed on advice from her lawyer after it was subpeona'd.

Don't make excuses for these criminals. If you or I had such computer 'issues' we'd be in federal prison poste-haste.
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2014, 10:56:10 AM »
Oh, I have no doubt at this point that there is monkey business. I was just pointing out that on the one hand (emails) they really have no alibi, and on the other (data files if that comes up) they could possibly have one to use, and if not IRS, some future scandal could have an alibi due to bad data backup procedures.

Lawyer: "Hey, if your data wasn't backed up and something happened to your computer (wink wink)..."
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2014, 11:49:56 AM »
It would be a little more plausible if it hadn't all so conveniently happened within 10 days after the announcement of the audit of the policies/practices of their division of the EYE ARRH ESS.
What we have here is failure to communicate.

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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2014, 01:29:09 PM »
Which leads me to believe that somewhere in the gordian knot of missing e-mails is one that says:

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To: Lois Lerner
From: BHO
Subject: Nice Work !!

I just want to thank you for all your hard work in keeping the Tea Party groups from becoming Tax exempt.  It made a real difference in the elections.  Keep up the good work.

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Absolute bull. There are dozens of Republican state Attorneys General and probably almost as many Republican federal prosecutors (yes, that was on purpose). Can you tell me which one of them has filed bogus charges against ANY Democrat for political gain?

Tom Corbett. Against a relative of mine.

Next question?    =)
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2014, 02:17:18 PM »
Tom Corbett. Against a relative of mine.

Next question?    =)

A relative of yours is a Democrat officeholder?
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Re: Five more IRS employees tied to Lerner investigation had computer crashes
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2014, 04:13:44 PM »
And was the case without merit?


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