HR 4681 looks to gut the 4th amendment even more

[Balog]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/congress-just-passed-legislation-ramping-mass-surveillance-super-steroid-levels.html

Last night, the Senate passed an amended version of the intelligence reauthorization bill with a new Sec. 309—one the House never has considered. Sec. 309 authorizes “the acquisition, retention, and dissemination” of nonpublic communications, including those to and from U.S. persons. The section contemplates that those private communications of Americans, obtained without a court order, may be transferred to domestic law enforcement for criminal investigations.

To be clear, Sec. 309 provides the first statutory authority for the acquisition, retention, and dissemination of U.S. persons’ private communications obtained without legal process such as a court order or a subpoena. The administration currently may conduct such surveillance under a claim of executive authority, such as E.O. 12333. However, Congress never has approved of using executive authority in that way to capture and use Americans’ private telephone records, electronic communications, or cloud data.

Link to the Senate version of HR 4681 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr4681/text

[TommyGunn]

Not having words to express how I reacted to this I will only leave this here.

[Balog]

Bill was sponsored by and voted for by Republicans. Maybe change that to a picture of Boehner.

[bedlamite]

Unfortunately, the democans and republicrats are both culpable here.

[Ben]

Yup, fault for this is squarely at the feet of Republicans.

[RevDisk]

Haven't read the bill yet. Sigh...

Friggin statist gorram Constitution-hating Republican politicians.

[Monkeyleg]

This is just plain disgusting. I can't believe people aren't screaming at the top of their lungs. Why isn't there an organized movement to bring the intel machine back into line?

[TommyGunn]

Yup, fault for this is squarely at the feet of Republicans.

Who's gonna sign this bill -- Ronald Reagan?     

Kongress passed it; I'll blame it on Washington D.C.  It's where kongress exists.   

[Ben]

Who's gonna sign this bill -- Ronald Reagan?     

The only way it's getting to Obama's desk is via a majority Republican vote.

[roo_ster]

Disgusting.

[TommyGunn]

The only way it's getting to Obama's desk is via a majority Republican vote.

I'm not letting the repukeagains off any hook*, I'm simply trying to indicate through sarcasm that Obama will happily sign it.


* "I'll blame it on Washington D.C.  It's where kongress exists."

[MechAg94]

The only way it's getting to Obama's desk is via a majority Republican vote.

democrats still control the Senate or didn't you notice the mention of the Version passed there?  This is apparently a bipartisan bill. 

[Boomhauer]

democrats still control the Senate or didn't you notice the mention of the Version passed there?  This is apparently a bipartisan bill. 

Reaching across the aisle so hard you won't be able to sit down! Or walk straight...

[zahc]

At least they are making it legal now. That's usually what happens when governments are found with their hands in some cookie jar or doing something else they haven't yet got around to granting themselves permission to do

[Hawkmoon]

It's all good.





IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!

[Fitz]

Man, can't imagine why libertarians are so averse to "doing the right thing" and voting republican...

[seeker_two]

Man, can't imagine why libertarians are so averse to "doing the right thing" and voting republican...

.....and whose vote was wasted?......

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[Sergeant Bob]

Man, can't imagine why libertarians are so averse to "doing the right thing" and voting republican...

I voted Libertarian exclusively (where available) in the recent primary election and they all failed miserably. Don't care, really don't care, no don't care, really don't (led Zeppelin in there somewhere) care. I'm finished voting for someone simply because they are not a Democrat.

[RevDisk]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4681/text

309. Procedures for the retention of incidentally acquired communications

The procedures required by paragraph (1)
        shall apply to any intelligence collection activity not
        otherwise authorized by court order (including an order or
        certification issued by a court established under subsection
        (a) or (b) of section 103 of the Foreign Intelligence
        Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1803)), subpoena, or
        similar legal process that is reasonably anticipated to result
        in the acquisition of a covered communication to or from a
        United States person and shall permit the acquisition,
        retention, and dissemination of covered communications subject
        to the limitation in subparagraph

If I am reading it correctly, it allows "any nonpublic telephone or electronic communication acquired without the consent of a person who is a party to the communication, including communications in electronic storage." The only restriction is a 5 year retention policy, with a lengthy list of exceptions for longer retention.

I have to be reading this incorrectly.

[roo_ster]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4681/text

309. Procedures for the retention of incidentally acquired communications

If I am reading it correctly, it allows "any nonpublic telephone or electronic communication acquired without the consent of a person who is a party to the communication, including communications in electronic storage." The only restriction is a 5 year retention policy, with a lengthy list of exceptions for longer retention.

I have to be reading this incorrectly.

Separation of powers doesn't work when exec, lege, and the courts are in cahoots.