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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2014, 04:31:16 PM »
Thinking about it more, I think this could be a good thing. Let's get Jeb and Christie and every other crap candidate splitting up the squishy liberal wing of the party's primary votes. Then let's get one single charismatic actual conservative. We might actually get someone who isn't a D-lite plank of wood.
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2014, 04:55:58 PM »
Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on December 16, 2014, 03:57:59 PM
It's the only game in town, and someone's going to win.  Your moral assent is a bug on their windshield

Even more the reason to hold the bar real high to capture my vote.

It may mean nothing to them but our votes in totality have the power of life and death or at least choosing those who will exercise that power.

I'm seeing few if any worthy of that power in either party.
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2014, 12:24:40 AM »
Maybe Jeb is just a patriot drawing attention and fire from the enemy so the good guys can consolidate their foothold.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2014, 06:51:40 AM »
Biggest thing the R's are fighting is if they don't pander to the middle there is no way in hell they will win.  Too many middle voters that want their "free" stuff.
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Re: Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2014, 07:10:02 AM »
Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on December 16, 2014, 02:26:20 PM
Is it smaller, tho?  I keep hearing that from our side, that we're the majority of the Republican Part and right wing and they're the minority.  But every time we count the ballots the McCains and Romneys and Doles win it walking away.  

Money and organization and media and are the usual explanations, but there's a real limit to how much that stuff can do in a campaign.  In the end, what you need are votes.  Their side always has lots more of those than our side.
Open primaries.  When you allow your opponents to help choose your candidate you end up with a poorer candidate.
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Re: Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2014, 07:22:35 AM »
Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on December 16, 2014, 02:34:10 PM
The flip side is true, too.  If Jeb loses the nomination to someone like a Ted Cruz, the centrist, Chamber of Commerce, moderate wing of the Republican Party stays home in the general, and the Dem candidate still wins.

Winning the nomination is valuable to a politician, even if he can't win the general.  So don't expect Jeb to stay out knowing he can't win the general.  And besides, he probably thinks he can win the general.
The cost to capture an undecided moderate or centrist vote is 10x to 100x the cost to motivate a base voter farther away from the center than the candidate who was going to stay home and not vote due to insufficient ideological commitment by the candidate.  That is how obama beat romney.

Nominating a centrist squish is a sure way for the gop to lose.

If i gave two shits about the gop anymore i would advise them to nominate a charismatic rjght winger...both economic and socon.
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2014, 08:34:37 AM »
When I heard Jeb Bush was throwing his hat into the ring, my first thought was "Does he REALLY think he can beat Hillary in the primary?"
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2014, 09:26:11 AM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on December 17, 2014, 06:51:40 AM
Biggest thing the R's are fighting is if they don't pander to the middle there is no way in hell they will win.  Too many middle voters that want their "free" stuff.
I am starting to agree with those who think that the "middle" or "undecided" doesn't really exist the way it has been portrayed.  I think it is just an excuse for the squishy Repubs to justify moving to the left. 
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2014, 06:36:33 AM »
Quote from: HankB on December 17, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
When I heard Jeb Bush was throwing his hat into the ring, my first thought was "Does he REALLY think he can beat Hillary in the primary?"

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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2014, 07:18:49 AM »
Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on December 16, 2014, 02:56:19 PM
This is the inescapable conclusion I keep coming to.  I can't see how the math works out any differently, and I'm done deluding myself that the reason I keep losing is because their side has some sort of unfair advantage in terms of money or media or insiders or whatever.


Their advantage runs much deeper than those things. Their advantage is in our culture, as shaped by left-leaning news and entertainment media, education, corporations, bureaucracy, and so on. As an example, we keep referring to left-wing, anti-Constitutionalist Republicans as "moderates." Right in our own minds, they've already won.
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Re: Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring for 2016
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2014, 09:34:07 AM »
Most of our fellow Americans don't want a smaller government and most want to be protected from the vicissitudes of liberty.
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