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Questions on TVs, HTPCs, and Other Peripherals
« on: February 10, 2015, 02:18:19 PM »
I know a lot of folks here have different TV options, and HTPCs and stuff, so I'm looking for some input.

I think I mentioned a while back that I gave up the $150/mo cable. If I have Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu Plus running through a Roku box, am I missing any big (reasonably priced) components that would give me more options?

I've been thinking about an HTPC, but am not sure what I'd do with it that I can't do with the Roku. Other than having stuff saved on the hard drive. Possibly also burning my DVD collection and storing it there, but I know nothing about burning commercial DVDs.  I would assume I have rights to DVDs I bought, but I know there are also lots of copy protection schemes that could keep me from burning them.

Otherwise, the only thing I feel like I'm missing without cable is the ability to DVR shows so I can watch stuff without an Internet connection if I choose to. Well, and also news, but I currently watch Fox Business by logging into the DirecTV account I maintain for my dad and just watching on my computer screen. It would be nice to DVR shows on that channel, which maybe the HTPC could do?
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Re: Questions on TVs, HTPCs, and Other Peripherals
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 02:59:06 PM »
I know a lot of folks here have different TV options, and HTPCs and stuff, so I'm looking for some input.

I think I mentioned a while back that I gave up the $150/mo cable. If I have Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu Plus running through a Roku box, am I missing any big (reasonably priced) components that would give me more options?

I've been thinking about an HTPC, but am not sure what I'd do with it that I can't do with the Roku. Other than having stuff saved on the hard drive. Possibly also burning my DVD collection and storing it there, but I know nothing about burning commercial DVDs.  I would assume I have rights to DVDs I bought, but I know there are also lots of copy protection schemes that could keep me from burning them.

Otherwise, the only thing I feel like I'm missing without cable is the ability to DVR shows so I can watch stuff without an Internet connection if I choose to. Well, and also news, but I currently watch Fox Business by logging into the DirecTV account I maintain for my dad and just watching on my computer screen. It would be nice to DVR shows on that channel, which maybe the HTPC could do?

*shrug*

I scanned all my movies into my NAS. I actually don't torrent and only scanned movies I owned, tho I do need to slim down my collection. MakeMKV is the primary tool, handbreak is secondary. It can and does serve as a private netflix/amazon. With no DRM, capable of playing movies offline and on any device I own. I can also access remotely without a VPN.

XBMC/Kodi is a hundred times prettier of an interface than Netflix or Amazon. I don't currently have anything to receive OTA TV, otherwise I'd connect up a PVR or DVR to it. There's a lot of plugins, I'd glance over them.
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Re: Questions on TVs, HTPCs, and Other Peripherals
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 05:54:19 PM »
Consider using UVVU along with something like CinemaNow or Vudu or Flixster for the DVDs that you own.  It'll cost a bit, but you'll save on time spent, complexity, and availabity.  Basically, with a free UVVU account you can pay to "upload" most of your dvds to them.  They don't really upload, they just check to see that they're real and then give you access to their copy online.  Runs about $2/disk for standard def, more for HD.  But do a quantity and you get $1 off per disk. Movies uploaded to UVVU can then be watched using a free account from CinemaNow, Flixster, or Vudu.  I think all of those will run on Roku, and have apps for Android and Chrome.  I have a nice collection online now, and can watch on any of the 3 Rokus in the house, or my phone, tablet, or Chromebook.

edited to add:  I occasionally have speed issues with Vudu.  Cinemanow has been reliable.
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Re: Questions on TVs, HTPCs, and Other Peripherals
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2015, 11:28:18 PM »
Did I say somethin' wrong??   ???  ???  :lol:
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Re: Questions on TVs, HTPCs, and Other Peripherals
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2015, 11:37:01 PM »
Did I say somethin' wrong??   ???  ???  :lol:

Heh. :)

Naw, I was just waiting for more replies. For the DVDs, I was more looking at ripping them locally so I had all of them available offline. I've got an old Nettop laying around that I might play with converting to an HTPC just for experiment's sake.

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Re: Questions on TVs, HTPCs, and Other Peripherals
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2015, 08:05:05 AM »
Heh. :)

Naw, I was just waiting for more replies. For the DVDs, I was more looking at ripping them locally so I had all of them available offline. I've got an old Nettop laying around that I might play with converting to an HTPC just for experiment's sake.

Personally, it is rather nice to have all of one's movies available locally, centrally and no buffering. Biggest thing is you'll need a lot of disk space.

It's not exactly anything you need to spend a lot of money on. Download handbrake, anyDVD or makemkv. Rip a couple DVDs. Fire up XBMC/Kodi. Plug into DVD, see if you enjoy it.

I use Media Center Master to organize the metadata. Genre, background art, banners, etc. Maybe overkill, but it's kinda nice to have everything uniform and to be able to search for a money based on damn near anything. It's not as great for organizing TV shows.
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Re: Questions on TVs, HTPCs, and Other Peripherals
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2015, 08:57:32 AM »
I've done the HTPC thing recently in preparation for dumping satellite.  One advantage to an HTPC over a Roku or similar device is that I occasionally run into shows on Netflix / Hulu that say they have to be viewed on a real computer because of some licensing issue or another.

But yeah, one of the big things is ripping my DVD/Blu Ray collection so I can pack all the disks up and put them away. I use MakeMKV to rip my disks to MKV files.  It doesn't compress at all, so you end up with huge MKV files.  I then run them through Handbrake to get the size down and to remove things I don't need.  I usually strip out subtitle and audio tracks I don't want, keeping just the English of both (except for some foreign films where I keep the English subs, the English audio if available, and the original language audio track).  If you prefer MP4 files you can convert the MKV file to an MP4 when you transcode with handbrake.  I don't bother with the extras (which usually end up as separate files if you rip them), just the movie.  If I want those I'll go dig out the disk.

Right now I use Kodi (formerly XBMC) as my front end to view stuff.  I've heard that Media Center for Windows 10 will handle MKV files properly, so I may give that a try when the time comes.

The one place HTPC's lose out for me is cost.  Roku's and such are much more cost effective.  This gives me more options to play with though.  Here's my current setup if you care:

SHUTTLE LGA1155 Intel H61 DDR3 USB 3.0 A&V&2GbE 90-Watt Slim PC Barebone System XH61V
Barebones system that uses laptop components, barely larger than a good sized hardback book.  Looks fine on the shelf under the TV and my wife doesn't object.  I put a piece of her black washi tape over the power & HDD LEDs which keeps them visible but mutes them down to where they're not obnoxious.

Intel Core i3-3245 3.40GHz 2 LGA 1155 Processor
This is the beefiest processor that system will handle.  More than adequate for HTPC duties. If you want a more powerful processor you'll need a different case/psu/mobo.

Crucial 8GB Kit (4GBx2) DDR3 1600 MT/s (PC3 - 12800) CL11 SODIMM 204-Pin
You can put 16GB in this, but 8GB is more than sufficient.

SanDisk Ultra Plus 256GB SATA 6.0GB/s 2.5-Inch 7mm Height Solid State Drive (SSD)
SSD boots & runs very quickly.  Not where I store the media, so capacity isn't a huge issue.

Panasonic UJ260, UJ-260 6x Blu-ray Burner 8x DVD Burner Player SATA Laptop Drive
I can use this to directly play DVDs. I'd have to get something like PowerDVD if I want to play Blu Rays on this and I may at some point.  Mostly I use it for ripping DVD & Blu Ray disks.

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit, System Builder OEM DVD
Win7 for now.  Probably Win10 during the free upgrade period.

Seagate Expansion 3TB Desktop External Hard Drive USB 3.0
I was going to go with a NAS, but expenses became an issue for a while.  This is cheap, and 3TB should be more than enough to hold every DVD & Blu Ray I own once I compress them.  For redundancy I plan to get another one like this to hang off the upstairs desktop and I'll keep the two drives synced across the home network.  Maybe set up a scheduled robocopy to sync them in the middle of the night.  Distributed RAID1 anyone?  I used a full sized external drive with it's own power supply as that little HTPC doesn't have a particularly grunty power supply.

Hauppauge 1192 WinTV HVR-1950 External USB HDTV Tuner/Video Recorder
This is to let me record over-the-air HD channels from the antenna I'm going to hook up once I dump satellite. The tiny PC case means it has to be an external, not one of their internal card solutions.  I don't see me having do a lot with this, as I can stream most stuff, but I think it will be handy. 

Logitech Wireless Touch Keyboard K400 with Built-In Multi-Touch Touchpad
This works well for controlling it all.  The only caveat is that when I put the USB dongle in one of the rear slots it was glitchy unless I held the keyboard in the right position.  Move it to a front slot and it's fine.  Or in my case I used a 1.5' USB extension cable to get it out from behind the case, tucked up between the PC and the external hard drive.
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