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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 08:03:35 AM »
Total Population in Norway: 5,109,059
Total Square Miles: 148,747

Total Population of Minnesota: 5,457,173   
Total Square Miles: 86,943

Less population and almost half the density of Minnesota. Plus, they are all Norwegians.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 09:54:34 AM »
Plus, they are all Norwegians.

THAT.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 10:01:28 AM »
Anders Brevik is a native Norwegian.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 10:07:37 AM »
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420877/socialism-left-white

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Progressives have a longstanding love affair with the nations of northern Europe, which are, or in some cases were until the day before yesterday, ethnically homogeneous, overwhelmingly white, hostile to immigration, nationalistic, and frankly racist in much of their domestic policy. In this the so-called progressives are joined, as they traditionally have been, by brutish white supremacists and knuckle-dragging anti-Semites, who believe that they discern within the Nordic peoples the last remnant of white European purity and who frequently adopt Nordic icons and myths, incorporating them into an oddball cult of whiteness. American progressivism is a cult of whiteness, too: It imagines re-creating Danish society in Los Angeles, which is not full of Danish people, ascribing to Scandinavian social policies certain mystical tendencies that render them universal in their applicability.



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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 10:08:41 AM »
Anders Brevik is a native Norwegian.

And they didn't shoot him.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/27/anders-behring-breivik-arrest-norway

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"When we get closer to the place where there's shooting we started to use our voices yelling 'armed police' to draw the attention to us," Haavard Gaasbakk, the squad leader of the police unit that arrested Breivik, told the press. "We come to a forested area and the suspect stands there right in front of us with his hands high above his head. It was a completely normal arrest."
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 10:25:17 AM »
I also see from the original article that Norwegian police are not routinely armed.  Other than the UK, I wonder what other European countries do not arm the police.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 10:32:50 AM »
Cops in my small town killed someone just this year.

A burglar decided to open fire on the cops...

Bad decision...

The USA has a problem with murderers, though fortunately it has reduced somewhat in the last several years.

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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 10:35:15 AM »
Norway is populated almost entirely with Norwegians and Lapplanders.  Should be no surprise that they have fewer of the problems found in more "diverse" countries.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 01:03:18 PM »
The USA has a problem with murderers, though fortunately it has reduced somewhat in the last several years.

Somewhat?  Over the last couple decades it's dropped by over half!



There's a pretty clear indication that our crime spike was tied to environmental lead, primarily from leaded gasoline.

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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 01:11:48 PM »
There's a pretty clear indication that our crime spike was tied to environmental lead, primarily from leaded gasoline.

The time lines don't match up  ;/
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2015, 01:18:10 PM »
Anders Brevik is a native Norwegian.

He's not a cop either...
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2015, 01:29:50 PM »
Somewhat?  Over the last couple decades it's dropped by over half!



There's a pretty clear indication that our crime spike was tied to environmental lead, primarily from leaded gasoline.

Pah!



There's a pretty clear indication that Maine's divorce rate is caused by margarine consumption, 99.26% correlation. The proof that the number of lawyers in North Carolina is causing suicides by hanging, strangulation and suffocation is even stronger, a correlation of 99.37%! Not that I understand why they picked 23 year delay (median age of criminals?), but you'll note that crime is 2.5x higher in 2011 as 1963 but lead is less than half. The evidence presented is significantly more concrete that we must tackle margarine and lawyers than leaded gas.

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I swear, I'm joking. Actually, I have few doubts that lead does play some role in health and/or criminality, but without significantly better proof, it's tenuous at best. While smoking gun charts are nice, with good science rarely that neat and tidy. If a report tells you what you want to hear, look very closely for the lack of rigor because it's likely junk at worst and poorly executed at best.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2015, 01:59:57 PM »
Pah!



There's a pretty clear indication that Maine's divorce rate is caused by margarine consumption, 99.26% correlation. The proof that the number of lawyers in North Carolina is causing suicides by hanging, strangulation and suffocation is even stronger, a correlation of 99.37%! Not that I understand why they picked 23 year delay (median age of criminals?), but you'll note that crime is 2.5x higher in 2011 as 1963 but lead is less than half. The evidence presented is significantly more concrete that we must tackle margarine and lawyers than leaded gas.

 =D

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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 02:02:21 PM »
Not that I understand why they picked 23 year delay (median age of criminals?), but you'll note that crime is 2.5x higher in 2011 as 1963 but lead is less than half.

23 years was the point of strongest correlation, of course.  The difference between the divorce rate and the lead is that they actually have theories for why the lead exposure leads to crime, and that the correlations hold true even when you move past the graph I showed.  

They've seen that 23 year delay through varying dates for introduction, phase out, and amount of leaded gasoline used, by region.  

I agree about it still being elevated, but there's a reason I said 'tied to', not 'exclusively caused by'.  There's a lot of other things we need to 'fix' to get our crime down even further.  Personally, I'd say 'end the war on drugs' would probably help get us down to the levels seen in the '30s.  And who knows, there may be another environmental factor as bad as TEL introduced around the same time that we haven't figured out yet.

One other factor might be like tracking the number of cases of autism - you look at the numbers recorded in the '30s and today, it looks like we have orders of magnitude more of them.  But today we diagnose it much quicker, and much more mild cases of it are counted.  So you'd have to compare '30s 'Autism' with '00s 'Severe Autism' or such to get a better comparison.  Then it'll still be elevated, just not as much (older parents is probably partly to blame).

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I swear, I'm joking. Actually, I have few doubts that lead does play some role in health and/or criminality, but without significantly better proof, it's tenuous at best. While smoking gun charts are nice, with good science rarely that neat and tidy. If a report tells you what you want to hear, look very closely for the lack of rigor because it's likely junk at worst and poorly executed at best.

Like I said, the graph is neat and tidy, but there's a lot more to the actual research tying the two together.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2015, 11:46:35 PM »
Is 23 the average age of murderers ???
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2015, 11:48:18 PM »
Is 23 the average age of murderers ???

Or better yet, median age?
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2015, 11:56:51 PM »
Or better yet, median age?

I thought that the average killer was pretty mean  =|
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2015, 12:00:49 AM »
I thought that the average killer was pretty mean  =|
It depends on the mode of your assessment.  :P
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2015, 10:10:21 AM »
As APS makes its standard deviation from the OP.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2015, 11:06:25 AM »
Is 23 the average age of murderers ???

If you'll note, the measure was of pre-schoolers, who range in age from 0-4 and likely skew towards 4. 

So, the average murder would have to be 27ish. Which I would guess is even more unlikely.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2015, 01:54:15 PM »
If you'll note, the measure was of pre-schoolers, who range in age from 0-4 and likely skew towards 4. 

So, the average murder would have to be 27ish. Which I would guess is even more unlikely.

Yeah, I haven't killed anybody yet, so I'm definitely bumping up the average  :laugh:

I wonder if I could plead the "environmental lead defense" ???   :angel:
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2015, 03:46:53 AM »
Total Population in Norway: 5,109,059
Total Square Miles: 148,747

Total Population of Minnesota: 5,457,173   
Total Square Miles: 86,943

Less population and almost half the density of Minnesota. Plus, they are all Norwegians.

The town of 30,000 I live in has had more police shootings than that. It's more than just population.
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Re: Police in Norway fired their weapons twice last year
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2015, 10:16:02 AM »
The town of 30,000 I live in has had more police shootings than that. It's more than just population.

The trouble with Minnesota is that is full of Minnesotans  :laugh:
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