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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2015, 02:57:06 PM »
If it's a "thermal effect" that's producing the thrust, we just need a big tank of air to slowly be released and surround the spaceship!  =D

Or I was thinking magnetic eddy currents being generated by the magnetron pushing off the earth's magnetic field. In that case we just need to...

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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2015, 06:13:33 PM »
The "magnetic space coupe" thing worked for Dick Tracy  ;)   :lol:
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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2015, 06:41:29 PM »
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This isn't rocket surgery. Dude makes a device that allegedly violates known and vastly proven laws of physics. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.
This sort of reminds me (in principle) of a guy up in Minnesota who came up with a home heating furnace that was more than 100% efficient - and it wasn't a heat pump. Basically, he was circulating "special" hydraulic fluid through a "special" radiator, blowing cold air into it, and getting warm air out.

Now, based on air volume and input and output temperatures, you can compute the amount of energy transferred to the air. Based on how much energy it took to run the furnace (mostly pumps to circulate the hydraulic fluid) you could compute overall efficiency.

Sure enough, for reasons not understood, the overall efficiency seemed to be over 100%. Faculty at U of MN was duly impressed, and the guy got write-ups in the local papers and appeared on TV.

But somewhere along the line, a student got the test results, and noticed that the input and output temperatures were in degrees Centigrade . . . whereas the heat transfer equations were based on degrees Kelvin.

Oops.  :rofl:

Then there were the guys who used lasers powered by a fuel cell to break up the waste water produced into hydrogen and oxygen which again were used to power the fuel cell, with power left over after energizing the lasers . . .  :facepalm:

Don't forget Pons& Fleischman with cold fusion . . . or Weber and his gravity wave detector which used strain gages to detect deformations in an aluminum bar about 1/100 the diameter of an atomic nucleus . . .

In any case, as much as I WANT this drive to be for real, and I WANT this drive to work . . . "skepticism" is a magnificent understatement for what I really think about it.

The "magnetic space coupe" thing worked for Dick Tracy  ;)   :lol:
With smartphones we effectively got his 2-way wrist TV, so the magnetics will come soon; the nation that controls magnetism will rule the world.  ;)

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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2015, 06:51:26 PM »
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the nation that controls magnetism will rule the world

"The United States, with six percent of the world's population, consumes 80 percent of the world's magnetic field."

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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2015, 08:41:09 AM »
In any case, as much as I WANT this drive to be for real, and I WANT this drive to work . . . "skepticism" is a magnificent understatement for what I really think about it.
With smartphones we effectively got his 2-way wrist TV, so the magnetics will come soon; the nation that controls magnetism will rule the world.  ;)




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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2015, 10:01:22 AM »
This isn't rocket surgery. Dude makes a device that allegedly violates known and vastly proven laws of physics. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.

Instead, we get proof that is not distinguishable from noise, error or limits of equipment sensitivity. That is the opposite of extraordinary proof. Ergo, dude is full of it. No worries, he is entirely free to theoretically improve his design (stop laughing) and give it another go.  No harm, no foul. Rather than improving his design, folks continue to perform sketchy or bad science. Why I have no fluffy idea. It doesn't (and can't) work, no one is going to use it. Only market it has is scamming idiots or lobbying the government for funding.



You may have answered your own question........

With this engine installed and funded he can guarantee to Congress that Guam will not tip over, no matter what.

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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2015, 12:08:33 PM »
Eh... I guess I'm not enough of a misanthrope at heart.

Instead of "scammers", I just lump this in with the number of other people who've been taken in by their own confirmation bias, like a slightly more high-minded version of the perpetual motion nuts, and don't have any real ill intent. 

I think so much of the population has been bombarded by SciFi and space-opera depictions of at-will single-stage to orbit spacecraft, and interstellar travel, that they have a deeply ingrained sub-conscious expectation there's just "some trick" to it that we haven't discovered yet, and are ready to accept anything that seems to offer this "trick" as having a great deal of potential.



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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2015, 01:48:40 PM »
Disproving something isn't a requirement.  The inventors have to prove it...it's not up to others to disprove.

After all, I can disprove it right now. 
Conservation of momentum
Conservation of energy

There.  All the disproof required, until they prove otherwise.

The environmentalists have ruined space travel for us  =D
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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2015, 09:00:21 PM »

I recollect a serial printed in one of the Sunday supplements involving Violet Ray Brandt, the Golden Amazon.  Adventures in space, and when she discovered her superpowers, built a rocket in the backyard of her parents' London home.  She took off into space with it, starting her adventures, including trips to her equivalent of Superman's castle of solitufe or whatever it was, but on Jupiter.  

Anyhow, by that time I had had some experience with launching rockets of any size from my own backyard in Brooklyn, and I can attest that it is an event that can't be missed by the neighbors.

Even with my lttle rockets made out of clotheshanger cardboard tubes.

Even when they didn't go bang on ignition.

And they all laughed when I built a model of Little Boy out of a rain gutter and some rocks. But,... Mmm bwah-hah-ha-hahaaaaaaa !  >:D

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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2015, 09:28:54 PM »
Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants won't help.


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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2015, 09:30:03 PM »
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=49075.msg1000526#msg1000526

I recollect a serial printed in one of the Sunday supplements involving Violet Ray Brandt, the Golden Amazon.  Adventures in space, and when she discovered her superpowers, built a rocket in the backyard of her parents' London home.  She took off into space with it, starting her adventures, including trips to her equivalent of Superman's castle of solitufe or whatever it was, but on Jupiter. 

Anyhow, by that time I had had some experience with launching rockets of any size from my own backyard in Brooklyn, and I can attest that it is an event that can't be missed by the neighbors.

Even with my lttle rockets made out of clotheshanger cardboard tubes.

Even when they didn't go bang on ignition.

And they all laughed when I built a model of Little Boy out of a rain gutter and some rocks. But,... Mmm bwah-hah-ha-hahaaaaaaa !  >:D

Terry "von Braun," 230RN



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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2015, 10:27:13 AM »
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The comment in the "October Sky" piece about the de Laval Nozzles in rocket engines reminded me of the "Terry Nozzle," which is still used by beginning DIY amateur rocketeers.

It consists of of a 1/8" hole (+/- 1/16") drilled in the plaster plug at the back end of of the clotheshanger cardboard tube rockets.

On occasion, the "Terry Nozzle" was drilled off center or not parallel to the axis of the rocket, or both.  In addition, the smaller sized Terry Nozzles tended to generate bangs instead of thrust.

This imprecision resulted in somewhat erratic flight, which the neighbors could not help but notice when one landed in their rain gutter, with residual smoke still coming out of the Terry Nozzle --and perhaps some of the dried leaves trapped up there.  Just perhaps.

This resulted in a garden hose being squirted up there by the aforesaid neighbors.

This, in turn, resulted in the Parental Units, upon through investigation, instructing the local butcher to not sell any more KNO3 to the inventor of the Terry Nozzle.

This also resulted in Terry no longer investigating the properties of exhaust nozzles of any type, let alone the Terry Nozzle.

The occasional bangs associated with the research into the Terry Nozzle were merely contributory to the KNO3 ban, and not a proximal cause.

Nevertheless, the meat preservative, KNO3, could still be purchased at the butcher shop by Terry's Research Assistants, and research along the bang phenomenon continued, albeit surreptitiously, and with some success.  

I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who posted it.  

That, regardless of the facts that (A) the statute of limitations has expired, and (B) the principle research scientist involved was a minor anyhow.
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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2015, 11:18:48 AM »
I'd have told Terry to find a friendly mechanic with a hydraulic bottle jack, and to find some small bit of conical scrap hardware to use as a die, and ram that nozzle firm under a few tons of force.
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Re: "Full Impulse" Mr. Sulu
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2015, 11:19:59 AM »
During my teen years I used to reassure my folks that the rocket science I was committing in the basement was perfectly safe.
Sure it was.  And like you said, Terry, the statute of limitations has expired.
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