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I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« on: November 04, 2015, 03:46:52 PM »
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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2015, 09:47:27 PM »
How else would we keep our secret Merman Mormon prisons filled and mind-control agents dispersed? Controlling intelligence and federal law-enforcement is a big win for our secret prisons!

I (very) briefly considered an FBI application when I was trying to decide what to do with myself. I eventually ruled it out as I wanted more independent control over where I lived/settled-down than that career path offered.

No CIA-friendly foreign language skills for me either, I'm afraid. I served my mission in California's central valley. That mission had Spanish, Cambodian, Laotian, and Hmong-speaking missionaries, but I was assigned English. Neemi did a stint in South Carolina, so while she can whip out some Southern-speak, there is unfortunately little desire for that in the CIA. Unless the South rises again, I guess.  :laugh:

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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 06:27:33 AM »
I can't stand the thought of working for a huge government bureaucracy with a history of being a good old boys club, a ponderous budget, cronyism, and so riddled with pet projects it can't see the end of its own nose.
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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 12:59:32 PM »
Hell, I just assumed that I'm the only  person on APS that ISN'T a .gov agent...
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Re: Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 01:48:09 PM »
They may not be what they seem.  =D

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits
You mean they're not here because we wanted a breeding pair to start our own herd?.....
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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 01:56:24 PM »
I can't stand the thought of working for a huge government bureaucracy with a history of being a good old boys club, a ponderous budget, cronyism, and so riddled with pet projects it can't see the end of its own nose.

I have a similar view of the FBI (and many/most .gov agencies) now. As a 18-22ish year-old trying to figure out what to do with my life, not so much.

Hell, I just assumed that I'm the only  person on APS that ISN'T a .gov agent...

Always a good assumption :police:. The real question is whether the various .gov agencies that everyone on here belongs to is aware of the other agencies being on here, or if we're a case of the FBI setting up a sting to sell "missiles" to an undercover ATF agent and get an undercover IRS agent to make terroristic threats. [tinfoil]

You mean they're not here because we wanted a breeding pair to start our own herd?.....

I've heard Seventh-day Adventists are more flavorful.

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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 03:33:59 PM »
You mean they're not here because we wanted a breeding pair to start our own herd?.....


I've heard Seventh-day Adventists are more flavorful.

I'm pretty sure you are confusing SDAs with Jehovah's Witnesses.

And in the best APS tradition of thread drift - is there any way I can get the local Bishop to lift the ban on missionaries knocking on my door?  (It had something to do with inviting them in on hot  summer days for a cold drink - a Coke or maybe a beer.)

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 04:17:31 PM »
LOL!

You can call the local bishop (you can do a ward/building search on LDS.org that'll give you their info).

When we moved last year, the folks buying our old house called the bishop to get the scoop on the area. No, they weren't LDS, they just knew who to call to get good intel. :)

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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 04:23:39 PM »
Hell, I just assumed that I'm the only  person on APS that ISN'T a .gov agent...

Looks like we found the mole!
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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2015, 04:33:42 PM »


Always a good assumption :police:. The real question is whether the various .gov agencies that everyone on here belongs to is aware of the other agencies being on here, or if we're a case of the FBI setting up a sting to sell "missiles" to an undercover ATF agent and get an undercover IRS agent to make terroristic threats. [tinfoil]


THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!  :rofl:

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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2015, 05:50:30 PM »
THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!  :rofl:

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I'm betting it's happened more than once...
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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2015, 06:48:35 PM »
I (very) briefly considered an FBI application when I was trying to decide what to do with myself. I eventually ruled it out as I wanted more independent control over where I lived/settled-down than that career path offered.

I seem to remember a question about being completely honest in all my dealings that didn't include "unless the government tells you to lie."  I could see some wiggle room for, say, hostage negotiations, but not to make a simple possession bust of the neighborhood hippie, which pretty much every LE agency would expect an employee to be OK with.

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2015, 08:45:23 PM »
LOL!

You can call the local bishop (you can do a ward/building search on LDS.org that'll give you their info).

When we moved last year, the folks buying our old house called the bishop to get the scoop on the area. No, they weren't LDS, they just knew who to call to get good intel. :)

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The local guy is the one who banned them from talking to me and me talking to them.  He seemed rather PO'd as well about the reports of my a) referring to The Book of Macaroni and b) knowing it better than most of his missionaries that visited with me.

Truth be told I asked because I miss messing with their heads.  Maybe I should put more effort in looking for a new hobby?

I agree with many of their practices, but do get a bit peeved when anybody messes with my immortal soul (assuming I have one).

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Re: I think We Need to Watch Marnoot and Neemi
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 11:24:42 PM »
In general (and all of the following is "in general", there are hundreds of missions (and mission presidents), tens of thousands of missionaries, some differences exist between missions, but the following is generally true across different missions), a bishop is not in the chain of command for full-time missionaries, who are instead directed by the Mission President responsible for that mission and the 100-200 full-time missionaries working in it.

Basically the only information that persists between sets of missionaries (who generally rotate out of an area every few months) is the "area book". The area book is usually just an 3-ring binder with brief notes about who the missionaries have been teaching in the area recently, including less-active church members they are encouraging to return to activity, and maybe a map marked with where they've gone knocking doors recently. That way if both missionaries in a set are rotated-out at the same time, the incoming missionaries will be able to know what's going on. Said notes rarely persist past a year or so, even 6 months is elderly for a lot of it.

Certainly the church members in the congregation in your area also can tell the new set what's going on, and the bishop (who generally only serves as such for 5 years or so) could say "don't go to that vaskidmark's place, the guy's a real jerk!", but the missionaries would not necessarily be beholden to that. It is certainly possible for a mission president to specify a person or location off limits, but that would be pretty rare and not generally done in a situation you describe because there is no shortage of people that like to try to mess with missionaries' heads. It's just part of being an LDS missionary.

Even if the local bishop there actually told you the missionaries weren't allowed there any more, it's unlikely that's actually the case. You not having seen missionaries for a long while is most likely a combination of two things:

1) Missionaries don't knock doors as much as they used to. It's just not terribly effective. We would only go knocking ("tracting" in the missionary parlance) if we had some time to fill and didn't have contacts at the time through more effective channels (i.e. people that had actually requested to meet with the missionaries, etc.), and that was 15 years ago, other avenues are emphasized even more now than then. It's definitely still done, and I did find the occasional person receptive to the gospel via tracting, but it's just about the least fruitful activity a missionary can do.

2) If the missionaries have been "told about you" they've likely only not come as a result, not because they were prohibited, but because you'd be wasting their time. It's actually a fun occasional change of pace as a missionary to talk to someone like you; to have a debate with someone knowledgeable about scripture or our doctrines or our history, or talk to someone that does things like call the it the Book of Macaroni, or ask how many wives we have back at the homestead. But time spent having a discussion with them takes away from time spent talking to someone that actually wants to hear our message and is receptive to it, and most missionaries aren't going to spend a lot of time talking to you if they did run into you for the same reason.

But missionaries are people too, and there's bound to be one whose love for a good debate is stronger than their focus on the work (fits a couple that I worked with), and would probably head right over if told about you. So don't worry, I doubt your head-messing days are completely over. ;)
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