Author Topic: How to control your international image  (Read 863 times)

dogmush

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How to control your international image
« on: November 22, 2015, 11:34:10 AM »
Sometimes it's not the big things a country does that effects people's opinions.  It's the small, but noticeable ones.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fca_1448123402

The US walked in on a moment of silence.
Russia bought a puppy.

Neither of those things really matter in the War on Terror, but both shape public and international opinion far out of proportion to their significance.  A couple more well timed puppies and Western Europe won't care about Crimea.

I know it's not news among us, but I'm not sure the average American realizes how bad our federal government is making us look.

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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2015, 11:45:10 AM »
That's about the only place I become a Trump fanboi. He may have bad hair, he may accidentally nuke someone, but I bet he never bows to a foreign head of state.
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I'm so contrarian that I didn't respond to the thread.

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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2015, 01:14:00 PM »
I was thinking along these same lines. When the dog story came out, my first reaction was, "That's the kind of stuff we used to do".

More and more I seem to have conversations that start with, " I know about Putin's history and that he's probably had more people killed than we'll ever know, but..."

And then I compare Russia with the US. Nobody ignores Russia or doesn't take them seriously (except us it seems), but we can no longer say the same for the US. So much of that is directly related to the perception of the respective leaders.

I'm not just talking about perception like Putin's hunting and martial arts photos versus Obama on the bicycle, but perception photos actually related to what they do related to their governments. We have Putin being photographed taking a ride in a research submersible (exploring frontiers), and Obama photo ops at freakin' arugula farms.

Putin looks like the head of a state that is powerful and moving forward. Obama has guys ride skateboards down the White House halls. It's adults versus adolescents. It's also not that Obama has bad PR people. He has good PR people who happen to be pushing an image that sadly resonates with a growing segment of our population. They'd rather see a photo op of our president in a "safe space" than in a ride along in an F-18, or even a Hurricane Hunter or something. That would be all macho and not gendercistran neutral.

It could very well be that people like those of us here are just a dying segment of the US population. I guess the bright side, if this continues, is that most of us won't be around when China, Russia, or even freakin' North Korea just walk in and take the keys to the house because we're no longer strong enough to stop them, or worse, just don't care. Stupid American Exceptionalism.

ETA: I also just read the story about Obama's speech urging foreign leaders "...to not be like America." I doubt Putin would ever give a speech talking about what a crappy place Russia is.
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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 11:01:13 PM »
. . . I know it's not news among us, but I'm not sure the average American realizes how bad our federal government is making us look.
I believe more people - not enough, but a few more - are coming to realize that it's deliberate and intentional.

. . . I'm not just talking about perception like Putin's hunting and martial arts photos versus Obama on the girl's bicycle . . .
FIFY.
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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 11:58:54 PM »
I believe more people - not enough, but a few more - are coming to realize that it's deliberate and intentional.
FIFY.

I was talking with a few friends last night and the question was raised as to what Obama would do different if he really was a Muslim version of the Manchurian Candidate.

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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2015, 09:50:27 AM »
Putin is an evil, tyrannical POS but he's got great PR in Russia.

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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2015, 11:25:54 AM »
I think that lowly public opinion of the US has as much to do with our Leadership as it has to do with our genral lack of control (or interest) over said "leadership".

For example, http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-05/dear-fellow-americans-do-you-have-any-idea-what%E2%80%99s-being-done-your-name-syria

That's what poeple on the outside see, most americans are clueless. I blame Bush :P. Sorry Fistful.
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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2015, 06:53:34 PM »
I think that lowly public opinion of the US has as much to do with our Leadership as it has to do with our genral lack of control (or interest) over said "leadership".

For example, http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-05/dear-fellow-americans-do-you-have-any-idea-what%E2%80%99s-being-done-your-name-syria

That's what poeple on the outside see, most americans are clueless. I blame Bush :P. Sorry Fistful.
Some of that is a little stilted, IMHO.
Yes,  America plotted political coups  in Syria....and in Iran.   But it wasn't as if the Soviets weren't flexing their military/political muscles in east europe, central and South America.  We built shelters for our leaders....as did the Soviets in the Urals.
The Cold War spawned a great deal of skullduggery, shenanigans, buffoonery, chest-beating, as well as shoebeating (Breshnev at U.N. circa 1960ish).
But no one wants to write about the Russian side of this jackassery..... :mad:
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Re: How to control your international image
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2015, 04:56:48 PM »
Something else to keep in mind is: "If you break it, you own it".

There hasn't been a single successful nation building effort since WWII. Now we have had a lot of "regime change" and the mess that ensues ;/

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