Jeb who?

[Hawkmoon]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/jeb-bush-urges-the-gop-to-restore-its-brand-there-is-no-excuse-for-failure/article/2608185

Is he still around? What makes him think anyone cares what he thinks or says?

You knew this was coming:

Bush, presumably in a direct plea to Trump, said the GOP can broaden its base by "reforming legal immigration and affirming the role that immigrants play in building up our economy and our nation." The incoming Republican president has vigorously opposed installing a path to legal status or citizenship for illegal immigrants and promised to build a massive wall along the Southern border.

The problem, of course, is that granting amnesty to 13 million ILlegals has nothing to do with legal immigration, and doing so would undermine any efforts to control legal immigration by encouraging millions more to bypass the legal process and enter illegally. But you can expect the Bush with the Latina wife to advocate for the illegals over the rights of legal Americans.

The way to reform legal immigration is to make it impossible to immigrate illegally. End of discussion. We have processes in place for people who want to come here legally. My wife went through it. Trump's wife went through it. My adopted daughter went through it. I have no sympathy whatsoever for those who want to cut to the head of the line.

[Ben]

To paraphrase the late Wayne Rogers, if the first word in your argument is 'illegal"*, you've already lost.


* That of course includes "undocumented" and all the other euphemisms the progressives try to sneak in.

[roo_ster]

Screw ¡JEB! and all his line.  He loves Mexico and Mexicans so much, let him and his move there.

[RoadKingLarry]

Please clap.

[Firethorn]

Uh guys, isn't this departing from the high road to automatically assume that 'reforming legal immigration', the only words we have out of Jeb on the issue, means an amnesty program and even more illegals?

Sure, it mentions that Trump is against granting illegal immigrants an easier, path, but it doesn't actually say that this is in contrast to Jeb's desires.

Now, if you have other sources, that would make things a bit different, but consider:  We might of won the election with Trump, but we did not win the popular vote with him.

I fail to see what's so controversial about a politician essentially saying "we need to attract more voters to be elected in the future". 

[Perd Hapley]

Uh guys, isn't this departing from the high road to automatically assume that 'reforming legal immigration', the only words we have out of Jeb on the issue, means an amnesty program and even more illegals?

Sure, it mentions that Trump is against granting illegal immigrants an easier, path, but it doesn't actually say that this is in contrast to Jeb's desires.

Now, if you have other sources, that would make things a bit different, but consider:  We might of won the election with Trump, but we did not win the popular vote with him.

I fail to see what's so controversial about a politician essentially saying "we need to attract more voters to be elected in the future". 

"might have won"

It's Jeb's past history, along with a lot of other people just like him. When Jeb Bush talks about "reforming legal immigration and affirming the role that immigrants play in building up our economy and our nation," he is still speaking from the same script that Trump just blew up. Jeb is trying to feed Republicans the same lines they rejected during the primaries. And when I say they rejected them, I mean that primary voters deposed them like a Romanian dictator. So you should be able to understand why no one wants to hear from Jeb Bush, if he's going to be sounding the same note. Plus "reform" has been pretty closely tied to left-wing, so-called reform. Reform from the right, for whatever reason, isn't called reform.

Then we have this stuff -

"Let's not focus on angst, grievance and division over race, class or gender. Our party must be big-hearted and creative and opportunistic."

"[Republicans] must make it clear that there is no room in our tent for despicable bigotries like racism, misogyny or anti-Semitism,"

I can give him the benefit of the doubt about this, but it sounds a lot like he's blaming Trump and/or Republicans for making this past election about race. It also sounds like he's choosing to obsess over the meaningless bigotry (such as it is) among Republicans, and ignoring the much more impactful bigotry of the Left. Ya know, that kind of bigotry that actually gets people killed, or just ruins their lives.

[roo_ster]

Uh guys, isn't this departing from the high road to automatically assume that 'reforming legal immigration', the only words we have out of Jeb on the issue, means an amnesty program and even more illegals?

Sure, it mentions that Trump is against granting illegal immigrants an easier, path, but it doesn't actually say that this is in contrast to Jeb's desires.

Now, if you have other sources, that would make things a bit different, but consider:  We might of won the election with Trump, but we did not win the popular vote with him.

I fail to see what's so controversial about a politician essentially saying "we need to attract more voters to be elected in the future". 

So, you're not big on empirical evidence and not big on examining past events / performance to get a clue as to future performance, eh?

¡JEB! puts Mexicans over Americans.  The GOPe, along with the Dems actively despise Americans.  Unless given hefty & overpowering evidence to the contrary, I will assume ¡JEB! and suchlike are selling the same old shinola.  What sort of evidence?  Maybe giving their billionaire donors the Il Duce treatment on live teevee/streaming.  Or decorating the lampposts down I-95 from NYC to DC with their dangling meat sacks.  Whatever it is, it had best be big, profound and a burning of bridges to past associations and ideologies.

"we need to attract more voters to be elected in the future"

¡JEB! is an ignoramus and/or actively duplicitous.  Non-euro populations will not vote in anything close to a majority of their numbers for GOP or anything close to limited liberal republican government.  They can not implement it on their own, maintain it on their own when handed it on a platter, and generally just don't see the point.  Granting more of them citizenship and inviting more is a recipe for genocide of the American euro ethnics and the death of limited gov't in the polity of the USA.

Besides, looking at the data, Trump did better with his alpha-male persona than did Romney or McCain in getting non-euro votes.  He did about as well as any white politician who pushes American values will ever do among the non-euro population. 

[Scout26]

So what ¡JEB! is saying is "Let's ignore what won the R's this election, and go with a strategy that will guarantee that R's will never win another election again." 

[Hawkmoon]

Uh guys, isn't this departing from the high road to automatically assume that 'reforming legal immigration', the only words we have out of Jeb on the issue, means an amnesty program and even more illegals?  

No. Were you hiding under a rock during the primary season?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/06/jeb-bush-many-illegal-immigrants-come-out-of-an-act-of-love/


http://nypost.com/2015/02/27/jeb-bush-holds-his-ground-on-immigration-reform/

He argued that there should be a path to legal status for those immigrants here illegally if they “work . . . don’t break the law, learn English and contribute to society.”

Of course, the above ignores the obvious fact that if they are here illegally, they HAVE broken the law. As for working -- not only are they taking jobs away from Americans and immigrants who are here legally, they also send huge sums of money back to their families in the native countries, thereby draining money out of the U.S. economy instead of invigorating it.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/04/politics/bush-immigration-conservatives-detroit/index.html

[MechAg94]

So what ¡JEB! is saying is "Let's ignore what won the R's this election, and go with a strategy that will guarantee that R's will never win another election again." 

Jeb! is a loser.  He is just showing he hasn't learned a dang thing.  He spent well over $100 million pushing this same message and still lost. 

"The GOP has no excuse for failure," Bush declared. "We are in charge of both the executive and legislative branches in Washington, and we dominate in the states like never before. We have the power to set the agenda, and we have the responsibility to govern, not merely on behalf of the voters who supported President-elect Trump, but for all Americans."

That last part jumps out at me.  It is something that has really ticked me off about Republicans over the last 20 years.  Republicans won the election and retained control of Congress.  This is no time to start compromising with Democrats and doing their work for them.  They did that in the W. Bush administration an they promptly lost the Senate and took away any reason for voters to vote for them. 

[Perd Hapley]

Given Trump's Verizon-coverage election map (county-level), he campaigned to, and won, a larger sample of "all Americans" than Jeb! or Hillary.

[HankB]

There actually ARE a couple of places we can reform LEGAL immigration:

1. The H1B program, intended to facilitate hiring of foreign tech workers to fill slots for which American tech workers are unavailable, has morphed into a program to hire CHEAP tech workers. Plenty of American tech workers have been displaced by foreign tech workers willing to work for fish heads and rice - and perhaps a subsidy from their home countries. This needs to be cleaned up.

2. Diversity visas. Allegedly intended to encourage immigration from nations previously under represented in the immigrant stream, it means that if last year we allowed a lot of Indian doctors, Japanese electrical engineers, German chemists, and English mathematicians to immigrate, this year they are de-prioritized in favor of more Afghan poppy farmers, Somali goat herders, Colombian coca farmers, and Kalahari bushmen. 

[Blakenzy]

¡JEB!   is a dreamer, he is but one part of a segment that would like to see a more unified world. A world with out borders. A one world herd.

[Perd Hapley]

¡JEB!   is a dreamer...

You might say that, but he's not the only one...

[Scout26]

Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin'. I aim to misbehave.

[MechAg94]

I had a comment in mind, but scout wins the thread.