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Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« on: December 15, 2016, 08:29:12 PM »
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I had heard about the issues over the price increase of secobarbital, but had not heard that a new four-drug protocol was being used.  The cost has been a real barrier for Washington state patients on Medicare or Medicaid.
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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2016, 08:33:30 PM »
A .357 Magnum round is less than 50 cents.

A plastic bag over the head is practically free.
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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 08:41:51 PM »
Why not an overdose of morphine or heroin?

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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2016, 08:48:04 PM »
A .357 Magnum round is less than 50 cents.

A plastic bag over the head is practically free.


I myself would do the plastic bag connected with a hose to a nitrogen cylinder from the homebrew store.  Do a tight seal around the neck, turn the cylinder valve and drift off.
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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2016, 08:52:07 PM »
interesting article.  The phrase "banality of evil" comes to mind.
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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2016, 10:10:58 PM »
The obvious "slippery slope" argument is how long from permitted to encouraged to required?
There is already a debate in some countries over "encouraging" euthanasia.
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Re: Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2016, 10:32:18 PM »
The obvious "slippery slope" argument is how long from permitted to encouraged to required?
There is already a debate in some countries over "encouraging" euthanasia.
Another slippery area is how easy it is to manipulate some folks

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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2016, 11:31:29 PM »
There is already a debate in some countries over "encouraging" euthanasia.

They start 'em young in the Netherlands:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/439703/promoting-infanticide-newsweek

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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2016, 12:25:53 AM »
Nitrogen FTW.  I have to cover the hazards of it enough in my HVAC classes to well understand how it could be cheaply and appropriately applied here.

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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2016, 01:51:34 AM »
I myself would do the plastic bag connected with a hose to a nitrogen cylinder from the homebrew store.  Do a tight seal around the neck, turn the cylinder valve and drift off.

Doesn't even have to be that tight.  Hell, looser is probably better.

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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2016, 05:01:35 AM »
They start 'em young in the Netherlands:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/439703/promoting-infanticide-newsweek

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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2016, 06:55:14 AM »
Having had to do the death watch of a family member in hospice recently, I've gotten a might softer on assisted suicide. When the persons dead and we're talking however long before the rest of their body gets the memo to make it official, I don't see the issue with a wee be extra drugs to make them "comfortable" a bit sooner.


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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2016, 08:02:46 AM »
Why not an overdose of morphine or heroin?

Because you just don't drift off to death, overdose of those isn't a pleasant process.
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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2016, 08:40:30 AM »
I used to be the risk manager for the hospice service line of the large multi-state healthcare system.  I am perfectly fine with the concept of patient autonomy up to and including assisted suicide.  I have gone to the professional seminars about it here in Washington, and the majority of people who choose this option are educated, have family support and were accustomed to making their own decisions their entire lives.  I am told that the Oregon results are pretty much the same.

Having had to do the staff debrief for my hospice nurses after which they walked into a home where the patient put a gun in their mouth because assisted suicide was not an option, I would prefer the option.
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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2016, 08:52:55 AM »
Because you just drift off to death, overdose of those isn't a pleasant process.

I beg to differ


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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2016, 11:16:39 AM »
I beg to differ


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I forgot a word in my post.

I have read that overdose of heroine/morphine leads to cardiac arrest which causes panic.
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Re: Death with dignity at a cost-effective price
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2016, 07:29:33 PM »
I forgot a word in my post.

I have read that overdose of heroine/morphine leads to cardiac arrest which causes panic.

I went out twice. Neither was at all unpleasant other than the second time I knew what was happening and was saying fudge shucks and gosh darn it as my eyes closed


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