On Stolen Social Security Numbers

[Ben]

I saw the below snippet in the twitchy link (URL at bottom of my post) about the deported illegal woman who used a stolen SSN:

Patricia Raymond, a regional communications director for the Social Security Administration, said in an e-mail Friday that if the agency receives earnings for a name and number that doesn’t match its database, those funds are placed in what is called an Earnings Suspense File.

According to 2015 report from the Office of the Inspector General, that fund had $1.2 trillion in it. About two-thirds of the fund was amassed during the years 2003 and 2012, the report says.

I always wondered about what happened when people worked under faked numbers. That's a lot of money. If they set it aside, they know it's fraudulent. I also wonder what happens when the legal owner of the SSN applies for benefits.

I knew a couple of guys back in the oil patch days (the 80s) who went on unemployment when they got laid off. They both ran into problems because their SSN was under a Mexican name. In both cases, the CA unemployment office didn't flag the bad guys or do anything about the ID theft. They gave both my buddies "alternate numbers" in the unemployment system. One of them complained and said he was threatened with his unemployment getting cut off. How jacked is that? Of course most of the employees in CA unemployment offices and the DMV are Mexican.

I have wondered if my SSN has ever been used fraudulently. Every once in a while, I do a search for my name in the free section of those "411" databases just to see what public PII info is out there on me (way too much). In a couple of them, they list my name and several of my prior addresses, then also list some guy named Juan in Georgia. I can't help but think that's because of a hit on my SSN.


http://twitchy.com/wa-37/2017/04/07/i-dont-want-it-to-just-come-up-and-bite-me-in-the-ass-victim-of-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos-id-theft-speaks-out/

[RoadKingLarry]

They're just stealing the identities that lazy Americans don't want to.

[230RN]

They're just stealing the identities that lazy Americans don't want to.

Tragifunny.

Q1: So, how could SSA be going broke if they've got that much in the bank?

Q2:  Can Congress raid those funds somehow?

(Did not hit the link 'cause somehow Twitchy URLs eff up my machine.)

Terry

[Fly320s]

Tragifunny.

Q1: So, how could SSA be going broke if they've got that much in the bank?

Q2:  Can Congress raid those funds somehow?

(Did not hit the link 'cause somehow Twitchy URLs eff up my machine.)

Terry

A1.  Same way they always go broke: spending more than they have.

A2.  My guess: probably not legally, yet.  I'm sure that will be allowed some day.

[Ben]

The thing that has always ground my gears about SSN theft is the two-faced way gov and LE handles it.

I mean, we have laws and outrage about personal identity theft. The gov has specifically passed laws that prohibit people from even asking you to give your SSN on all kinds of forms for identification and otherwise.

If you're black and from the hood, or white trailer trash, or rich and any race, creed, or color, you are sent up the river for years for committing identity theft. Yet for going on half a century, SSN theft by illegal aliens from Mexico has run rampant, and they get a pass. To the point we have the head of the CA senate saying it's a fine practice and that members of his own family do it. To the point where the victim of the theft is punished instead of the criminal. It's very enraging to me.

[230RN]

"I mean, we have laws and outrage about personal identity theft. The gov has specifically passed laws that prohibit people from even asking you to give your SSN on all kinds of forms for identification and otherwise."

That's another part that pisses me off.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
(The site has a lot of nifty tidbits of info.)
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Q(uestion)21:  When did Social Security cards bear the legend "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION"?

 A:  The first Social Security cards were issued starting in 1936, they did not have this legend. Beginning with the sixth design version of the card, issued starting in 1946, SSA added a legend to the bottom of the card reading "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES -- NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION." This legend was removed as part of the design changes for the 18th version of the card, issued beginning in 1972. The legend has not been on any new cards issued since 1972.
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My understanding is there was a big fuss somewhere along the line about the identification of individuals.  (Possibly because of the Biblical remarks about people bearing numbers.)  It was resolved, again, to my understanding, by placing the "not for identification" legends on the cards.  BTW, my father did not have a Social Security Number.  My mother got one when she went to work in the mid-fifties, and I did not get one until my first job at something like the age of sixteen.  Both my children got them at birth, which surprised me.  (They also got their footprints taken at birth.)

Terry, 667 Cosmic Circle.  (I live right across the street from The Beast at 666 Cosmic Circle..)

[Monkeyleg]

Many years ago my ex and a friend were mugged in the Mexican part of town. It just happened that my ex had her birth certificate with her that day, having been to the courthouse. So, the robbers got her Social Security card, her drivers license, and the birth certificate.

Somewhere there's a Mexican woman with a long Polish last name collecting SS benefits.

[TommyGunn]

"I mean, we have laws and outrage about personal identity theft. The gov has specifically passed laws that prohibit people from even asking you to give your SSN on all kinds of forms for identification and otherwise."

That's another part tht pisses me off.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
(The site has a lot of nifty tidbits of info.)
__________________________________
Q(uestion)21:  When did Social Security cards bear the legend "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION"?

 A:  The first Social Security cards were issued starting in 1936, they did not have this legend. Beginning with the sixth design version of the card, issued starting in 1946, SSA added a legend to the bottom of the card reading "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES -- NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION." This legend was removed as part of the design changes for the 18th version of the card, issued beginning in 1972. The legend has not been on any new cards issued since 1972.
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My understanding is there was a big fuss somewhere along the line about the identification of individuals.  (Possibly because of the Biblical remarks about people bearing numbers.)  It was resolved, again, to my understanding, by placing the "not for identification" legends on the cards.  BTW, my father did not have a Social Security Number.  My mother got one when she went to work in the mid-fifties, and I did not get one until my first job at something like the age of sixteen.  Both my children got them at birth, which surprised me.  (They also got their footprints taken at birth.)

Terry, 667 Cosmic Circle.  (I live right across the street from The Beast.)

I still have my ssc from circa  1970....says right onit; "not for identification purposes."   It's a tad ragged but serviceable.

[K Frame]

I still have my ssc from circa  1970....says right onit; "not for identification purposes."   It's a tad ragged but serviceable.

Same with mine. I think mine was issued in 1966 or 1967, not long after I was born.

Anymore I adamantly refuse to give my SSN unless the requestor can give me a damned good reason a) why they should be requesting it, b) why they think they need it, c) how they use it, and d) how they protect it.

If I don't like the answers I get, I don't give it.

[Viking]

To the point we have the head of the CA senate saying it's a fine practice and that members of his own family do it. To the point where the victim of the theft is punished instead of the criminal. It's very enraging to me.

Tribalism. It's apparently fine and dandy when non-whites do it, but when whites do it, people are suddenly concerned and start yelling about muh racism, muh fascism, muh cattle cars, muh internment camps.

[HeroHog]

I too have my original Social Security card from the mid 60's with the "not for identification purposes" right there on it. Now it IS your primary ID. It will be replaced by the Universal ID card/Mark of the Beast...