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Hillary's getting paranoid
« on: March 13, 2007, 10:02:16 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258512,00.html

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Clinton: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Is Real

Tuesday, March 13, 2007
Associated Press
WASHINGTON    Presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton told Democrats Tuesday the "vast, right-wing conspiracy" is back, using a phrase she once coined to describe partisan criticism.

Speaking to Democratic municipal officials, the New York senator used the term to hammer Republicans on election irregularities.

Clinton was first lady when she famously charged allegations of an affair between her then-president husband Bill Clinton and White House intern Monica Lewinsky were the result of a conservative conspiracy.

As evidence of the affair eventually came to light, the comment was ridiculed. But many Democrats have since insisted that Clinton was correct, pointing to the well-documented efforts by conservative financier Richard Mellon Scaife to fund a network of anti-Clinton investigations.

On Tuesday, she asserted the conspiracy is alive and well, and cited as proof the Election Day 2002 case of phone jamming in New Hampshire, a case in which two Republican operatives pleaded guilty to criminal charges, and a third was convicted.

"To the New Hampshire Democratic party's credit, they sued and the trail led all the way to the Republican National Committee," Clinton said.

"So if anybody tells you there is no vast right-wing conspiracy, tell them that New Hampshire has proven it in court," she said.

Former RNC operative James Tobin was convicted of telephone harassment and appealed his conviction. The investigation arose after Democratic organizers' phones were overwhelmed by annoying hang-up calls hindering their get-out-the-vote efforts.

Clinton accused the GOP of a number of other anti-voter actions, including intimidating phone calls during the contentious 2006 congressional elections.

New Hampshire Democratic Party chairwoman Kathy Sullivan said she absolutely agreed with the senator's description of the case.

"People think we're paranoid when we talk about the vast right-wing conspiracy, but there is a real connection of these groups  the same names keep popping up," said Sullivan. "They are the most disgusting group of political thugs that I have ever seen."

RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt responded that Democrats "might be disappointed to learn that almost a decade later, the senator's playbook consists of little more than a resurrection of Clinton-era talking points."

Clinton made her charge of conspiracy in response to a question about her proposed bill that would make Election Day a federal holiday, and make it a crime to send misleading or fraudulent information to voters.

She also said the government should do more to end unusually long lines at certain polling places.

"It just so happens that many of those places where people are waiting for hours are places where people of color are voting or young people are voting. That is un-American, and we're going to end it," Clinton said.

I have no doubt there are numerous conspiracies on both sides of the fence. But a real, vast right-wing conspiracy? I think people are generally incapable of the cooperation and single-vision necessary to propagate any kind of conspiracy that could be considered vast. As the RNC spokeswoman said, this really just seems like the same old crap. If you perceive the opposition to be in a position of advantage, fling wild accusations about how they're big meanies who aren't playing fair. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there really is a vast right-wing conspiracy, it's no more vast than its left-wing equivalent(s).

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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2007, 11:14:37 AM »
getting paranoid?

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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2007, 11:19:39 AM »
And there was -- and is -- a "vast, right-wing, conspiracy."  There is, also, a vast, and existing, "left-wing conspracy."  In sum, everybody is evil and will attempt to bring down the other through any means required.

This is news?
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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 11:27:40 AM »
I consider it more to be like monkeys on both sides flinging excrement, myself.

We've fallen so far since the days of Thomas Jefferson's sharply written letters and Daniel Webster's eloquent speeches...

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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2007, 11:30:07 AM »
I consider it more to be like monkeys on both sides flinging excrement, myself.

We've fallen so far since the days of Thomas Jefferson's sharply written letters and Daniel Webster's eloquent speeches...
You're kidding, right?  The election between Jefferson and Adams was noted for its mud-slinging and contentiousness.  Politicians making these kinds of charges is nothing new.
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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2007, 11:33:06 AM »
The election between Jefferson and Adams was noted for its mud-slinging and contentiousness.

Yeah, but it must have been elegant mud-slinging...
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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2007, 12:04:24 PM »
If I wear a powdered wig can I sling mud on APS?
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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2007, 12:20:00 PM »
Hillary follows her own college thesis on gaining political power by forming an image of the enemy. The more she can scare Dems into believing in the evil conservative conspiracy, the more she can whip them into frenzy to work and vote for her. They might even forget she is unelectable, as they did with Lt Kerry. Hillary is 100% ambition; everything else can tumble down and burn.

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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2007, 12:23:46 PM »
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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2007, 01:26:35 PM »
Elegant? Adams once called Hamilton "the bastard son of a Scotch pedlar."

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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2007, 01:43:53 PM »
Elegant? Adams once called Hamilton "the bastard son of a Scotch pedlar."

Wasn't that Goldwater about Ted Kennedy?
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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2007, 01:52:59 PM »
Seems I heard from somebody who said they like to wear a ball cap that reads...

"PROUD MEMBER OF VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY".

Elegant? Adams once called Hamilton "the bastard son of a Scotch pedlar."

I'd read that. Thing about Hamilton was he had very close ties to Pres. Washington. Anything Hamilton wanted, Washington made sure he got. From what I got discussing this stuff with my old PoliSci professor, Adams, Hamilton, and Aaron Burr were all characters. Ya'll recall the Burr-Hamilton duel? IIRC reading, Hamilton talked some smack about Burr's daughter, Burr challenged, Hamilton tried to cheat with the pistols' adjustable triggers, and Burr killed him.

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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2007, 06:17:42 PM »
I have no doubt there are numerous conspiracies on both sides of the fence. But a real, vast right-wing conspiracy? I think people are generally incapable of the cooperation and single-vision necessary to propagate any kind of conspiracy that could be considered vast.

Thats what THEY want you to think.

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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2007, 07:14:17 PM »
"Wasn't that Goldwater about Ted Kennedy?"

No, I think Goldwater was much more of a gentleman, and just called Teddy a drunken murderer.


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Re: Hillary's getting paranoid
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2007, 07:54:20 PM »
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If I wear a powdered wig can I sling mud on APS?
Yes, put a wig on that badger. 

I think Rush Limbaugh was selling coffee mugs and stuff that said "I am member of the vast right wing conspiracy." or something like that. 

I am sure we could come up with all sorts of examples of dirty tricks against Repubs that were traced back to Dem party officials.  I was thinking of a couple right away. 
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