Author Topic: Seriously? (Read 4591 times)

Hawkmoon · « **on:** July 09, 2019, 05:43:30 PM »

Grandfather who let his granddaughter fall out of a cruise ship to her death claims it wasn't his fault, it was the ship's fault.

https://www.newser.com/story/277571/lawyer-royal-caribbean-at-fault-for-toddlers-death.html

How can you NOT know when a window is open? [Ignoring, for the moment, that the initial reports were that Granddad was dangling the kid out of the window and he dropped her.]

WLJ · « **Reply #1 on:** July 09, 2019, 05:46:17 PM »

Someone on the ship stayed at a Trump hotel once so.......

WLJ · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2019, 05:55:45 PM »

Never mind, this explains it

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The family is from Indiana

grampster · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2019, 06:22:42 PM »

I guess if you are too effing stupid to know if a window is open, you are too effing stupid to have a child in your arms. Being that stupid it follows it is the cruise line's fault because it has been shown many times that effing stupid people are not responsible for anything...they are too effing stupid.

Boomhauer · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2019, 06:06:39 AM »

Funny enough the story yesterday, before they hired this lawyer, was that the grandfather was holding her out the window like Michael Jackson did to his kid and dropped her

But that version doesn’t win the big bucks that this one will

MechAg94 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2019, 09:00:06 AM »

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"Chloe wanted to bang on the glass like she always did at her older brother's hockey games. Her grandfather thought there was glass just like everywhere else, but there was not, and she was gone in an instant."
"Why in the world would you leave a window open in an entire glass wall full of windows in a kids area?" Winkleman told NBC News, calling it a "hidden danger" that should have featured a posted warning.

Why would you throw your grandaughter up on a balcony without holding her? Seems like he is trying to avoid his own guilt.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2019, 10:03:03 PM »

It wasn't a balcony. The ship has a double tier of windows in that area, and some of the windows in the upper tier can be opened -- like, for ventilation.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9478650/royal-caribbean-cruise-plunge-baby-pic-grandad-blame/

Like this:

Considering that there's an entire row of windows -- with glass in them -- along the floor level, any one of which the toddler could have banged on to her heart's content, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the grandfather's story doesn't make any sense. Apparently, if he wasn't actually dangling the kid though the window, he stood her with her feet on the horizontal rail separating the upper window from the lower window. My question is, how could you NOT see that the window was open?

WLJ · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2019, 06:51:18 PM »

Well you knew this was coming

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Speaking publicly for the first time since Chloe Wiegand died, her mother, Kimberley Wiegand, told NBC's "Today " show that her family will sue Royal Caribbean Cruises for "not having a safer situation on the 11th floor of that cruise ship."

Mother: Family will sue cruise company over toddler's death
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/mother-family-will-sue-cruise-company-over-toddler-s-death/article_203909c0-2bfe-5a5e-9408-df7bcd0cee7f.html

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2019, 08:55:28 PM »

Of course we could see it coming. Heaven forfend that the idiot grandfather accept responsibility for having been a complete, total moron.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:11:20 PM »

On an internet forum somewhere, a cruise line risk manager has titled a thread, "Dear passengers, please do not throw your infants from the windows. Thank you."

Andiron · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:11:56 PM »

Quote from: WLJ on July 22, 2019, 06:51:18 PM

Well you knew this was coming
Mother: Family will sue cruise company over toddler's death
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/mother-family-will-sue-cruise-company-over-toddler-s-death/article_203909c0-2bfe-5a5e-9408-df7bcd0cee7f.html

Translated: "we're really pissed at gravity. This tragedy is obviously the fault of someone other than the stupid *expletive deleted*er that dangled a kid 100 feet up in the air"

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:15:18 PM »

The child had only just informed her grandfather she identified as a full-grown sparrow. Case closed.

WLJ · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:30:00 PM »

Quote from: fistful on July 22, 2019, 11:11:20 PM

"Dear passengers, please do not throw your infants from the windows. Thank you."

Some people suck all the joy out of life.

Boomhauer · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2019, 11:59:15 AM »

I still have a suspicion he was dangling her at or out the window and dropped her then made up this *expletive deleted*it about “oh she wanted to bang on the glass like a hockey game”. Plus leaning against glass is stupid anyway, who knows if it’s going to pop out at any time.

And it doesn’t look like a children’s area to me. Looks like a normal deck area.

Ben · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2019, 12:13:45 PM »

The lawsuit is dumb. That said, I can only imagine the brain short-circuiting that goes on after something like that. I'm guessing the grandfather and family are grasping at any straws, no matter how outrageous, to take the guilt away.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2019, 01:47:30 PM »

Quote from: Ben on July 23, 2019, 12:13:45 PM

The lawsuit is dumb. That said, I can only imagine the brain short-circuiting that goes on after something like that. I'm guessing the grandfather and family are grasping at any straws, no matter how outrageous, to take the guilt away.

Yeah.

WLJ · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2019, 04:49:41 PM »

Quote from: Ben on July 23, 2019, 12:13:45 PM

The lawsuit is dumb. That said, I can only imagine the brain short-circuiting that goes on after something like that. I'm guessing the grandfather and family are grasping at any straws, no matter how outrageous, to ~~take the guilt away~~ get rich.

FIFY

BobR · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2019, 04:56:14 PM »

Quote from: Ben on July 23, 2019, 12:13:45 PM

The lawsuit is dumb. That said, I can only imagine the brain short-circuiting that goes on after something like that. I'm guessing the grandfather and family are grasping at any straws, no matter how outrageous, to take the guilt away.

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The lawsuit is dumb. That said, I can only imagine the brain short-circuiting that goes on after something like that. I'm guessing the grandfather and family are grasping at any straws, no matter how outrageous, to ~~take the guilt away~~ get rich.

The money they want is to teach the cruise line an object lesson on how they need to spend more money making their boats even more idiot proof. The money they will get won't replace their toddler but will vindicate their feelings that grampy was not at fault but that it was in fact the fault of the cruise lines (at least in their minds).

bob

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2019, 07:29:40 PM »

Quote from: Boomhauer on July 23, 2019, 11:59:15 AM

I still have a suspicion he was dangling her at or out the window and dropped her then made up this *expletive deleted*it about “oh she wanted to bang on the glass like a hockey game”. Plus leaning against glass is stupid anyway, who knows if it’s going to pop out at any time.

And it doesn’t look like a children’s area to me. Looks like a normal deck area.

The photo that has circulated of her banging on the glass at a hockey game seemed to show her standing on the floor, IIRC. There's glass right to the floor in that area of the ship. She could have stood on the deck, in front of a FIXED (non-opening) window and banged on the glass to her heart's content. Instead, the grandfather supposedly picked her up and stood her on a "rail" (which was apparently the window framing material separating the upper tier of glass from the lower tier), and somehow magically just happened to pick the one window that was open out of an entire row.

BS. How can you stand in front of an open window and NOT know that it's open? Either the grandfather was dangling her out of the window a la Michael Jackson, and dropped her -- or the grandfather stood her on the window rail knowing the window was open and he lost his grip on her.

Either way -- not the cruise line's fault. The grandfather screwed the pooch.

WLJ · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2019, 11:53:37 AM »

Grandfather being charged

Grandfather charged in death of toddler who fell from cruise ship window
https://www.wave3.com/2019/10/29/grandfather-charged-death-toddler-who-fell-cruise-ship-window/

Ben · « **Reply #20 on:** October 29, 2019, 12:23:16 PM »

While I still don't approve of the family's lawsuit, I just don't see how this will do anything except make it all worse.

Best thing would have been for both sides to consider it a terrible tragedy, and to stay out of court.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 29, 2019, 08:05:55 PM »

Just curious, can those windows be pushed open? Or do they open to the inside?

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 29, 2019, 10:03:34 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on October 29, 2019, 08:05:55 PM

Just curious, can those windows be pushed open? Or do they open to the inside?

I believe they slide horizontally.

There are two tiers of glass on that deck. The lower tier windows don't open. Some of the upper tier open for ventilation, and they were open at the time of the incident because the ship was docked in port. The grandfather lifted the child up and either stood her on the sill of an open window, or dangled her out the window and dropped her. The story about the window being "inexplicably" open is pure BS -- approximately every third window all along that tier was open.

Windows can be seen in this video: https://youtu.be/2HKpZGem1J4

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #23 on:** December 18, 2019, 02:55:43 PM »

Update - the grandfather has been offered a plea bargain deal, and he is apparently considering it even though his attorney says he is innocent.

https://www.newser.com/story/284536/grandpa-in-cruise-ship-death-could-get-plea-deal.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_crime

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"The family is shocked by the deplorable and disgraceful misconduct that led to the release of this footage. The family's sole motivation for not releasing the video was to protect their older child. That motivation has not changed. ..."

Yeah, I'm sure their only motivation was to protect their older child (from what?). It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the possibility that having the video in public view might damage their lawsuit accusing the cruise line of negligence.

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A CBS correspondent was allowed to view the surveillance video and says it appears to show Anello lifting Wiegand up to a window before she falls out of it; he says he's colorblind and that may have been why he didn't realize the window was open.

I'm color blind. I can tell when a window is or isn't open.

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