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Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« on: March 13, 2007, 12:29:20 PM »
Notice how the title misleads that he actually apologized. Should he apologize for expressing his personal opinion? I think not.

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Pace Expresses Regret Over Gay Remark
By PAULINE JELINEK
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON  The Pentagon's top general expressed regret Tuesday that he called homosexuality immoral, a remark that drew a harsh condemnation from members of Congress and gay advocacy groups.

In a newspaper interview Monday, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had likened homosexual acts to adultery and said the military should not condone it by allowing gays to serve openly in the armed forces.

In a statement Tuesday, he said he should have focused more in the interview on the Defense Department policy about gays  and "less on my personal moral views."

He did not offer an apology, something that had been demanded by gay rights groups.

"General Pace's comments are outrageous, insensitive and disrespectful to the 65,000 lesbian and gay troops now serving in our armed forces," the advocacy group Servicemembers Legal Defense Network said in a statement on its Web site.

The group, which has represented some of the thousands dismissed from the military for their sexual orientation, demanded an apology.

Pace's senior staff members said earlier that the general was expressing his personal opinion and did not intend to apologize. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to speak on the record.

Rep. Martin Meehan, who has introduced legislation to repeal the current policy, criticized Pace's comments.

"General Pace's statements aren't in line with either the majority of the public or the military," said the Massachusetts Democrat. "He needs to recognize that support for overturning (the policy) is strong and growing" and that the military is "turning away good troops to enforce a costly policy of discrimination."

In an interview Monday with the Chicago Tribune, Pace was asked about the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that allows gays and lesbians to serve if they keep their sexual orientation private and don't engage in homosexual acts.

Pace said he supports the policy, which became law in 1994 and prohibits commanders from asking about a person's sexual orientation.

"I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said in the audio recording of the interview posted on the Tribune's Web site. "I do not believe that the armed forces of the United States are well served by a saying through our policies that it's OK to be immoral in any way."

Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, said he based his views on his upbringing.

"As an individual, I would not want (acceptance of gay behavior) to be our policy, just like I would not want it to be our policy that if we were to find out that so-and-so was sleeping with somebody else's wife, that we would just look the other way, which we do not. We prosecute that kind of immoral behavior," he said, according to the audio and a transcript released by his staff.

The newspaper said Pace did not address concerns raised by a 2005 government audit that showed some 10,000 troops, including more than 50 specialists in Arabic, have been discharged because of the policy.

Louis Vizcaino, spokesman for the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, said Pace's comments were "insulting and offensive to the men and women ... who are serving in the military honorably."

"Right now there are men and women that are in the battle lines, that are in the trenches, they're serving their country," Vizcaino said. "Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with their capability to serve in the U.S. military."

"Don't ask, don't tell" was passed by Congress in 1993 after a firestorm of debate in which advocates argued that allowing homosexuals to serve openly would hurt troop morale and recruitment and undermine the cohesion of combat units.

John Shalikashvili, the retired Army general who was Joint Chiefs chairman when the policy was adopted, said in January that he has changed his mind on the issue since meeting with gay servicemen.

"These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers," Shalikashvili wrote in a newspaper opinion piece.



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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2007, 02:34:53 PM »
He needs to take lessons from Anne Coulter.

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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2007, 05:07:14 PM »
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"General Pace's statements aren't in line with...the military,"
WRONG.
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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 05:08:54 PM »
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Rep. Martin Meehan, who has introduced legislation to repeal the current policy, criticized Pace's comments.

"General Pace's statements aren't in line with either the majority of the public or the military," said the Massachusetts Democrat. "He needs to recognize that support for overturning (the policy) is strong and growing" and that the military is "turning away good troops to enforce a costly policy of discrimination."


That is news to me.  But then again he is from Mass which is just a right coast version of Cali.
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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2007, 02:16:39 AM »
Pete Pace is a scholar, warrior, and gentleman. Too bad he slipped and enunciated his personal opinion on such a hot-button topic. This will blow over, eventually.

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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2007, 03:05:25 AM »
If he'd expressed disdain for Christians, there would have been no backlash.  rolleyes
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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2007, 05:06:41 AM »
If he'd expressed disdain for Christians, there would have been no backlash.  rolleyes

You go right on believing that.
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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2007, 05:16:35 AM »
Bryan, there would certainly be scattered backlash on internet sites and radio programs.  There would be no real outcry on Old Media sources such as CNN, FOX, NY Times, etc.  In contrast, the said internet and radio outlets spent as much time discussing the Pace/Coulter remarks as they did with anti-religious remarks from Rosie O'Donnel, Bill Maher, etc. 

Can you cite the last few times the Old Media gave comparable coverage to an anti-Christian remark? 
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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 06:24:48 AM »
Here we go again with pesky free speech. 
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Re: Gen. Pace steps into un-PC dada
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 10:12:59 AM »
Pace's personal opinion on morality is just trivia. He doesn't set the policy, his civilian superiors do, although I would like to think that they consider his input.

Personally, I care about having competent & motivated individuals on my team. I don't care so much about who they get turned on by. Anyone who lets their personal life affect the team adversely will get booted, straight or gay.

I'd rather have a gay Lt. Steve May than a straight Lt. Ehren Watada, any day.