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Do you love me?
« on: January 05, 2021, 10:21:48 AM »
Yes, even roboticists have a sense of humor and an appreciation for the classics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw

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Re: Do you love me?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2021, 10:28:30 AM »
I can feel better about enjoying this now that Boston Dynamics is no longer owned by Mom's Friendly Robot Company Google anymore. Greater chance of dancing robots just being dancing robots and not commie controlled killing machines in disguise. :)
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Re: Do you love me?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2021, 10:34:50 AM »
^^^Watching the dancing robots that are configured for human ergonomics, I can't help but wonder how long it will be before someone puts a M4 in their hands and then we are off to the races.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2021, 10:39:46 AM »
^^^Watching the dancing robots that are configured for human ergonomics, I can't help but wonder how long it will be before someone puts a M4 in their hands and then we are off to the races.

All the cool robots use F2000s

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2021, 10:51:25 AM »
Bipedal murderbots will never be a thing.

Security? Maybe. Can't feel pain, infinitely patient, won't get offended by Karen or Chad arguing with them non stop.

But there's no reason to use an expensive bipedal robot, when a disposable mini-quadcopter with facial recognition and a mini explosively formed penetrator "head popper" charge can be released by the hundreds or thousands.

You'll know the killer mini copters are a thing, when camouflage starts incorporating shapes to try and defeat image recognition algorithms.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2021, 11:01:12 AM »
"DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!!"   Now, that's a CLASSIC!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2021, 11:45:22 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8GtxV8-aI

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Re: Do you love me?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2021, 11:51:00 AM »
Cool video.  That is an impressive range of motion and balance.  Certainly capable of short range patrol/scouting. 

1.  I am curious what the battery capacity is.  How long can they move around like that without recharge? 

2.  How many man-hours did it take to program that dance sequence? 
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2021, 11:54:47 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8GtxV8-aI

Let us hope it does not come to this.
Is there a longer movie of that? 
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2021, 12:53:08 PM »
Is there a longer movie of that? 

Apparently not.  The company released the short video as a teaser, but as far as I can tell, they never got the money to make the longer film.
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Re: Do you love me?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2021, 11:18:19 AM »
Cool video.  That is an impressive range of motion and balance.  Certainly capable of short range patrol/scouting. 

1.  I am curious what the battery capacity is.  How long can they move around like that without recharge? 

2.  How many man-hours did it take to program that dance sequence? 

1. The Spot dog-robots only have a battery life of about 90 minutes. I assume the bipedal Boston Dynamic robots are about the same. Maybe less.

2. Probably a lot. Since the dance moves required specific limb positions and not just "Do 'A' and move to point 'B'" and let the software/neural nets figure out how to do it in realtime.

Battery capacity is really one of the big limiting factors for these robots, figure if someone comes up with a commercially viable replacement for Lithium Ion, and say it is double the capacity, that Spot robot now only has a 3 hour runtime, which still isn't super long. I'd imagine that the wheeled robots do a lot better because they don't have the weight and balance limitations that the legged robots do, so they can carry heavier/larger batteries.

And it's kind of funny, but the one thing that Sci-Fi gets right is when the energy cells of various devices are used as ersatz bombs (like Phasers set to "overload" in Star Trek) they're actually pretty accurate. Because something with that much energy potential in it does start to resemble a bomb at some point. Even existing Lithium Ion batteries are pretty spicy when they go wrong.

And while they're impressive, I still don't really know what the two legged bipedal robots are "for". The four legged robots handle random/rough terrain well. The wheeled robots do well in built up spaces. And robots that actually get used en-masse are either fixed arms, or things like automated forklifts that are purpose built in their specific task to the form.

I get that bipedal humanoid robots are designed to work and navigate in "human spaces" since we're bipedal and obviously humanoid, but I still don't quite get what work they're going to do. An agriculture robot is going to look like a tractor without a cab. Or be a spraying drone. We already know what most factory robots look like.

Housekeeping and maid service is the main thing I can think of, because it requires manipulating human objects in a human space. And the software challenges of dealing with a room full of random clutter, determining what's garbage, and what should be put away or straightened up are daunting to say the least.
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Re: Do you love me?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2021, 03:03:08 PM »
I was thinking they could be used for patrol/security and handle varying terrain or obstacles.  The dancing shows a lot better range of movement than I thought they had.  90 minutes isn't much, but 3 hours might work at a minimum.  Of course, if you are guarding a fixed location, you should be able to set it up so a wheeled robot or flying drone would work better.  

A recent SciFi series I read talked about superconducting capacitors that would release a ton of energy if destroyed.  This one (I am sure I have seen it mentioned elsewhere):
https://www.amazon.com/Grand-Central-Arena-Ryk-Spoor/dp/1439133557/ref=tmm_mmp_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
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Re: Do you love me?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2021, 04:42:21 PM »
Housekeeping and maid service is the main thing I can think of, because it requires manipulating human objects in a human space. And the software challenges of dealing with a room full of random clutter, determining what's garbage, and what should be put away or straightened up are daunting to say the least.
Assisting elderly and home health care are another area they might do well.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2021, 04:49:31 PM »
As science fiction has taught us, I think sexbots and military will be the profitable uses.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2021, 04:52:57 PM »
Assisting elderly and home health care are another area they might do well.
They can help Grandma make pies (and enforce lock downs).

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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2021, 07:51:53 PM »
A.J. Dual mentioned,

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And it's kind of funny, but the one thing that Sci-Fi gets right is when the energy cells of various devices are used as ersatz bombs (like Phasers set to "overload" in Star Trek) they're actually pretty accurate. Because something with that much energy potential in it does start to resemble a bomb at some point. Even existing Lithium Ion batteries are pretty spicy when they go

Interesting because back in the mid sixties I wrote an unpublished novel where the "rebels" used  a briefcase full of "high capacity industrial energy cells" rigged to dump their energy into a hefty coil around the inside of the briefcase. The object was to generate a magnetic pulse to destroy a magnetically stored  data base in a building.

I guess I'm not the only one to have thought of this.

I got the idea by shorting out the battery packs in Polaroid film packs.  Lots of energy remaining in them and poking a finishing nail through one of them was .... "surprising."

Amusingly, I would never have thought of doing this were it not for the fact that there were dire warnings in the film packs about not doing that or otherwise mutilating the battery packs.

Well, I was only twenty-something at the time, so what can you expect from a mere fresh-faced kid?

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