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Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« on: April 03, 2007, 06:57:03 AM »
I'm of mixed thoughts about this.  Extensively drug-resistant tuberculosis is a nasty bug, not responding to the 2nd line of antibiotics used to treat multi drug-resistant TB and TB is fairly easy to spread through casual contact with an infected patient.  I can see the need to confine the man if he will not or cannot adhere to the protocols designed to minimize the chances of his spreading the disease, but cutting off his means of electronic contact with the outside world goes too far in my eyes.

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Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB

Tuesday , April 03, 2007

PHOENIX  —
Behind the county hospital's tall cinderblock walls, a 27-year-old tuberculosis patient sits in a jail cell equipped with a ventilation system that keeps germs from escaping.

Robert Daniels has been locked up indefinitely, perhaps for the rest of his life, since last July. But he has not been charged with a crime. Instead, he suffers from an extensively drug-resistant strain of tuberculosis, or XDR-TB. It is considered virtually untreatable.

County health authorities obtained a court order to lock him up as a danger to the public because he failed to take precautions to avoid infecting others. Specifically, he said he did not heed doctors' instructions to wear a mask in public.

"I'm being treated worse than an inmate," Daniels said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press last month. "I'm all alone. Four walls. Even the door to my room has been locked. I haven't seen my reflection in months."

Though Daniels' confinement is extremely rare, health experts say it is a situation that U.S. public health officials may have to confront more and more because of the spread of drug-resistant TB and the emergence of diseases such as SARS and avian flu in this increasingly interconnected world.

"Even though the rate of TB in the U.S. is at the lowest ever this last year, we live in a globalized world where, if anything emerges anywhere, it could come to our country right away," said Mark Harrington, executive director of the Treatment Action Group, an American advocacy group.

The World Health Organization warned last year of the emergence of extensively drug-resistant TB. The new strain, which has been found throughout the world, including pockets of the former Soviet Union and Asia, is resistant not only to the first line of TB drugs but to some second-line antibiotics as well.

HIV patients with weakened immune systems are especially susceptible. In South Africa, WHO reported that 52 of 53 HIV patients died within an average of 25 days after it was discovered they also had XDR-TB.

How to deal with people infected with the new strain is a matter of debate.

Dr. Ross Upshur, director of the Joint Centre for Bioethics at the University of Toronto, said authorities should detain people with drug-resistant tuberculosis if they are uncooperative.

"We're on the verge of taking what was a curable disease, one of the best known diseases in human endeavors, and making it incurable," Upshur said.

But a paper Upshur co-wrote on the issue in a medical journal earlier this year has been strongly criticized.

"Involuntary detention should really be your last resort," Harrington said. "There's a danger that we'll end up blaming the victim."

In the United States, which had a total of 13,767 reported cases of tuberculosis in 2006, public health authorities only rarely have put TB patients under lock and key.

Texas has placed 17 tuberculosis patients into an involuntary quarantine facility this year in San Antonio. Public health authorities in California said they have no TB patients in custody this year, though four were detained there last year.

Upshur's paper noted that New York City forced TB patients into detention following an outbreak in the 1990s, and saw a significant dip in cases.

In the Phoenix area, only one other person has been detained in the past year, said Dr. Robert England, Maricopa County's tuberculosis control officer.

Daniels has been living alone in a four-bed cell in Ward 41, a section of the hospital reserved for sick criminals. He said sheriff's deputies will not let him take a shower -- he cleans himself with wet wipes -- and have taken away his television, radio, personal phone and computer. His only visitors are masked medical staff members who come in to give him his medication.

The ventilation system draws out the air and filters it to capture the bacteria-laden droplets he expels when he coughs. The filters are periodically burned.

Daniels said he is taking medication and feeling a lot better. His lawyer would not discuss his prognosis. Daniels plans to ask for his release at a court hearing late this month.

Daniels lived in Russia for 15 years and returned to the United States last year after he was diagnosed. He said he thought he would get better treatment here, and hoped eventually to bring his wife and children from Russia. He said he briefly worked in an office in Arizona for a chemical company before he was put away.

He said that he lost 50 pounds and was constantly coughing and that authorities locked him up after they discovered he had walked into a convenience store without a mask.

"Where I come from, the doctors don't wear masks," he said. "Plus, I was 26 years old, you know. Nobody told me how TB works and stuff."

County health officials and Daniels' lawyer, Robert Blecher, would not discuss details of the case. But in general, England said the county would not force someone into quarantine unless the patient could not or would not follow doctor's orders.

"It's very uncommon that someone would both not want to take treatment and will willingly put others at risk," England said. "It's only those very uncommon incidents where we have to use legal authority through the courts to isolate somebody."

University of Pennsylvania medical ethicist Art Caplan said Maricopa County health officials were confronted with the same ethical dilemma that communities wrestled with generations ago when dealing with leprosy and smallpox.

"Drug-resistant TB, or drug-resistant staph infections, or pandemic flu will raise these questions again," Caplan said. "We may find ourselves dipping into our history to answer them."

Daniels said he realizes now that he endangered the public. But "I thought I'd come to a country where I'd finally be treated like a person, and bam, here I am."

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 07:30:19 AM »
Wonder where the AIDS activists stand on this one?
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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 08:42:22 AM »
Man with a highly/easily communicable disease who didn't follow or refused the proper steps to a cure. I see no problem with him being isolated from the rest of the general population.

Leprosy can be cured with antibiotics now, hence you don't hear about leper colonies anymore. Plus leprosy isn't as easily transmitted disease as it once thought it was.

As more of these resistant bacterial strains become more prevalent I think we will see mandated governmental isolation. Isolate a few for the good of the group.

I also think the lack of communication this man is not allowed is probably stretched a bit, as in most of these whine stories.



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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 09:11:35 AM »
he was able to do a phone interview...

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 09:15:57 AM »
To put it finely, this guy isn't being jailed because he has TB.

He's being jailed because he won't follow the safety protocols he knows he's supposed to take.

Shades of Typhoid Mary, anyone?

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 09:37:59 AM »
and THAT's why he has medico-resistant TB.  you don't get that by getting infected by it, the first time.
you get it by getting infected, taking *some* of your meds, "Gee I feel betta" and then quit taking them.
then the disease gets a stronger foothold... blah blah blah ya'll get the point.

That he got TB in the first place, not his fault.  That it went into a stronger strain, well, he at least coulda prevented it.

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 09:42:05 AM »
and THAT's why he has medico-resistant TB.  you don't get that by getting infected by it, the first time.
you get it by getting infected, taking *some* of your meds, "Gee I feel betta" and then quit taking them.
then the disease gets a stronger foothold... blah blah blah ya'll get the point.

That he got TB in the first place, not his fault.  That it went into a stronger strain, well, he at least coulda prevented it.

Uh... Not so sure about that.

He may well have caught a highly resistant strain by virtue of the fact that he lived in Russia for a long time.

Yes, these bugs are largely created by people who don't follow their medication regimes properly, but those superbugs can certainly be passed from person to person.
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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2007, 09:44:17 AM »
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Yes, these bugs are largely created by people who don't follow their medication regimes properly, but those superbugs can certainly be passed from person to person.

Correct.  Which is why I get so torqued off with people who stop taking their antibiotics as soon as they feel better.  "Oh, I'll save it for when I get sick again"

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2007, 10:02:24 AM »
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Yes, these bugs are largely created by people who don't follow their medication regimes properly, but those superbugs can certainly be passed from person to person.

Correct.  Which is why I get so torqued off with people who stop taking their antibiotics as soon as they feel better.  "Oh, I'll save it for when I get sick again"

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2007, 01:17:42 PM »
We could go the tinfoil hat route and even consider that some Russian intentionally infected him with the anti-biotic resistant strain of TB. In today's world, lots of things are possible.
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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2007, 01:24:48 PM »
Denying him communication with the outside world is definitely going too far.

Quarantining him is sort of a gray area.  Maybe it's OK, maybe it isn't.  But how on earth can they justify denying the right to talk to his family?

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2007, 02:25:22 PM »
Denying him communication with the outside world is definitely going too far.
Got to keep him from contacting the ACLU.
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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2007, 05:44:37 PM »
He walked into a convenience store without a mask on. He walks into the store WITH a mask on, and he's in prison, too. No win.

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2007, 09:26:33 PM »
SWMBO's youngest kid and 30 of his classmates took Rifampin for his junior year of high school because of someone just like this.

In suburban Dallas, Texas, at that.  They all will be compelled to have an annual chest x-ray for at least the next 10 years.  I worked with tuberculosis patients when I was a nurse. In spite of all precautions I have a positive Mantoux test and have had for years. I do not and have never had TB.

Bring that into my house because you don't want to 'be compliant'? No way. Public health codes and laws exist for a reason.  I'm all for keeping him isolated as long as it takes. It's a shame they haven't perfected an implantable antibiotic for TB yet, because that's the only way some folks would take it consistently.

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2007, 10:34:02 PM »
One of the girls I know through school is from Taiwan, and rather than wear a scarf over the winter, she was wearing a disposable face mask--they were common house-hold item in Taiwan.  She figured that was more sanitary than wearing and breathing into the safe scarf every day.  While walking to class, someone driving by yelled "Oh no, SARS!"  Then drove off laughing.  She came to talk with me and wanted to know why he would do that.  She started crying while telling me about how terrible the SARS disaster was, when families and friends were isolated and left to die to prevent the disease from spreading.  She couldn't understand how somebody could find that funny.  I did not realize how horrible it had been until she told me her story.

Do I have a problem with him being incarcerated?  It is a personal nightmare to be locked away for life, and I see no reason why he should be denied contact with other people in ways that don't risk spreading infection.  I agree with Sylvilagus Aquaticus and others that he should be physically isolated, when the alternative is him knowingly exposing everyone he talks with to a lethal disease.  In that scenario, he should have recognized that wearing the mask was the moral thing for him to do.

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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2007, 01:04:58 AM »
well, it's a good thing all immigrants coming into this country legally and illegally are checked for TB...oh...wait.... police
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Re: Man Jailed for Having Deadly TB
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2007, 09:21:25 PM »
This is really appalling!!  It's one thing to quarantine him, but to jail him, without readily available contact with the outside world?

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