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World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« on: January 18, 2008, 03:05:02 AM »
By GUDJON HELGASON, Associated Press Writer 


REYKJAVIK, Iceland - Bobby Fischer, the reclusive American chess master who became a Cold War icon when he dethroned the Soviet Union's Boris Spassky as world champion in 1972, has died. He was 64.
 
Fischer died Thursday in a Reykjavik hospital, his spokesman, Gardar Sverrisson, said. There was no immediate word on the cause of death.

Born in Chicago and raised in Brooklyn, Robert James Fischer was a U.S. chess champion at 14 and a grand master at 15. He beat Spassky in a series of games in Reykjavik to claim America's first world chess championship in more than a century.

The event had tremendous symbolic importance, pitting the intensely individualistic young American against a product of the grim and soulless Soviet Union.

It also was marked by Fischer's odd behavior  possibly calculated psychological warfare against Spassky  that ranged from arriving two days late to complaining about the lighting, TV cameras, the spectators, even the shine on the table.

Spassky said in a brief phone call from France, where he lives, that he was "very sorry" to hear of Fischer's death.

Former Russian chess champion Garry Kasparov said Fischer's conquest of the chess world in the 1960s was "a revolutionary breakthrough" for the game.

But Fischer's reputation as a chess genius soon was eclipsed by his idiosyncrasies. He lost his world title in 1975 after refusing to defend it against Anatoly Karpov. He dropped out of competitive chess and largely out of view, emerging occasionally to make erratic and often anti-Semitic comments, although his mother was Jewish.

"The tragedy is that he left this world too early, and his extravagant life and scandalous statements did not contribute to the popularity of chess," Kasparov told The Associated Press.

Fischer lived in secret outside the United States but emerged in 1992 to confront Spassky again, in a highly publicized match in Yugoslavia. Fischer beat Spassky 10-5 to win $3.35 million.

The U.S. government said Fischer's playing the match violated U.N. sanctions against Yugoslavia, imposed for Serb leader Slobodan Milosevic's role in fomenting war in the Balkans.

Over the years, Fischer gave occasional interviews with a radio station in the Philippines, often digressing into anti-Semitic rants and accusing American officials of hounding him.

He praised the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, saying America should be "wiped out," and described Jews as "thieving, lying bastards." His mother was Jewish.

He also announced he had abandoned chess in 1996 and launched a new version in Argentina, "Fischerandom," a computerized shuffler that randomly distributes chess pieces on the back row of the board at the start of each game.

Fischer claimed it would bring the fun back into the game and rid it of cheats.

In July 2004, Fischer was arrested in Japan and threatened with extradition to the United States to face sanctions-busting charges. He spent nine months in custody before the dispute was resolved when Iceland  a chess-mad nation and site of his greatest triumph  granted him citizenship.

Fischer told reporters that he was finished with a chess world he regarded as corrupt, and sparred with U.S. journalists who asked about his anti-American tirades.

"The United States is evil. There's this axis of evil. What about the allies of evil  the United States, England, Japan, Australia? These are the evildoers," Fischer said.

In his final years, Fischer railed against the chess establishment, alleging that the outcomes of many top-level chess matches were decided in advance.

Instead, he championed his concept of random chess.

"I don't play the old chess," he told reporters upon arrival in Iceland. "But obviously if I did, I would be the best."

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 03:41:02 AM »
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He praised the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, saying America should be "wiped out," and described Jews as "thieving, lying bastards." His mother was Jewish.

The US still exists. This dork doesn't.

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 04:09:50 AM »
I'll tell you, the first time I read a transcript of one of his rants on the PI radio station I almost fell out of my chair. This was a childhood hero! OK, I was a friggin chess geek for a while. Took 3rd in HS in my Freshman year. Beat me a real bad Senior by well thought out trickery and deceit.  Poor bastard fell right into my trap. laugh

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 05:22:11 AM »
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He ... described Jews as "thieving, lying bastards." His mother was Jewish.

He must not have liked his mother very much.  laugh

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 06:40:06 AM »
The rant I read and a few other things I saw basically indicated that the IRS thought Bobby owed them a pretty penny and Bobby decided the IRS was made up of the above described Jews and that's why they wanted his money. Given his brain I'd wondered if he just plain old lost it or it was an act designed to avoid paying up. He certainly was vehement though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 10:09:10 AM »
I thought Bobby Fisher was great when he beat Spassky . . . but when he wouldn't defend his title, I lost respect for him. And when I started reading about his anti-US rants, I figured he was a borderline nut case who'd flipped out; nothing I've read up to this point suggests to me I ought to revise that opinion.

I DID think our politicians getting their panties in a wad over his 1992 Yugoslavian match was a lot of BS.

In high school I played chess for a while . . . through diligent study and lots of play I managed to fight my way into the ranks of the mediocre, which put me near the top in my school. Which ain't saying much.
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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 10:25:40 AM »
Good riddance, ahole.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 10:58:16 AM »
Good riddance, ahole.
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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2008, 04:16:35 PM »
notsomuch...... The whole posterboy for the left thing annoyed the crap out of me.  That said, I'd have loved to sat across from him on a chess board,  provided he wasn't allowed to launch into any Mel Gibson-esq tirades.

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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2008, 04:18:39 PM »
Guess you all dislike the man for proclaiming his beliefs.  I have heard many people go on anti-Muslim tirades and it was ok.

Either way this is a great loss to the world of Chess.  And I for one am sorry.  I may have disagreed with him and his beliefs but I am not going to bash a dead man.  I guess it is my Christian upbringing.

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2008, 05:48:49 PM »
He cheered on 9/11, wanted the US to die, and said Jews were evil.

Sorry. Zero respect there.

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 07:36:01 PM »
Did he criticize the U.S. before they got on his case about the Yugoslavia match?  He seemed to be very self-centered, and to just rant at whoever was going after him as the most evil people in the world.

Maybe his nuttiness was a side effect of whatever it was in his brain that made him so good at chess.

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 10:09:07 PM »
Being a chess genius is no justification for being a self-centered jerk. Look at Gary Kasparov - he is/was probably a better chessplayer yet has a much more amenable personality.

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 09:13:00 AM »
Guess you all dislike the man for proclaiming his beliefs.  I have heard many people go on anti-Muslim tirades and it was ok.

Either way this is a great loss to the world of Chess.  And I for one am sorry.  I may have disagreed with him and his beliefs but I am not going to bash a dead man.  I guess it is my Christian upbringing.

I'm more inclined to believe Fischer was slightly mentally off balance.  Most geniuses I've ever met have been lacking in balance.  They seem to put all of their mental energy in one direction, and their general sanity slips for it.  Being good at a game does not and should not compensate for a sour personality.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they are not entitled to others liking it.

Agreed, Kasparov seems like a nice guy.  Who will likely be dead within a year if he continues to annoy Putin.  Dioxin poisoning, anyone?
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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 09:16:44 AM »
Guess you all dislike the man for proclaiming his beliefs.  I have heard many people go on anti-Muslim tirades and it was ok.

Either way this is a great loss to the world of Chess.  And I for one am sorry.  I may have disagreed with him and his beliefs but I am not going to bash a dead man.  I guess it is my Christian upbringing.

I'm more inclined to believe Fischer was slightly mentally off balance.  Most geniuses I've ever met have been lacking in balance.  They seem to put all of their mental energy in one direction, and their general sanity slips for it.  Being good at a game does not and should not compensate for a sour personality.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they are not entitled to others liking it.

Agreed, Kasparov seems like a nice guy.  Who will likely be dead within a year if he continues to annoy Putin.  Dioxin poisoning, anyone?

Hopefully, GK is thinking a move or two ahead of Putin...  angel
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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2008, 09:36:33 AM »
Guess you all dislike the man for proclaiming his beliefs.  I have heard many people go on anti-Muslim tirades and it was ok.

Either way this is a great loss to the world of Chess.  And I for one am sorry.  I may have disagreed with him and his beliefs but I am not going to bash a dead man.  I guess it is my Christian upbringing.
Proclaiming beliefs isn't a problem.  Proclaiming the particular beliefs he proclaimed, that's a problem.  His beliefs bordered on evil.  There's nothing unChristianlike about saying so.

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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2008, 09:48:25 AM »
Which is fine, but a little class is called for. In perpetual search of the 'most conservative', now frequently self-parody.
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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2008, 02:03:20 PM »
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Either way this is a great loss to the world of Chess.  And I for one am sorry.  I may have disagreed with him and his beliefs but I am not going to bash a dead man.  I guess it is my Christian upbringing

Spare us your "Christian Upbringing", It only gets trotted out when it serves you, and if genuine, would be the other way around.  Are you sure Huckabee isn't your man??

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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2008, 03:56:20 PM »
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Either way this is a great loss to the world of Chess.  And I for one am sorry.  I may have disagreed with him and his beliefs but I am not going to bash a dead man.  I guess it is my Christian upbringing

Spare us your "Christian Upbringing", It only gets trotted out when it serves you, and if genuine, would be the other way around.  Are you sure Huckabee isn't your man??

Don't you think it's a bit premature to call the guy a phoney Christian at this point?

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2008, 04:33:14 PM »
Spare us your "Christian Upbringing", It only gets trotted out when it serves you, and if genuine, would be the other way around.  Are you sure Huckabee isn't your man??

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2008, 07:17:38 PM »
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Don't you think it's a bit premature to call the guy a phoney Christian at this point?



please...

I've no time for your nonsense, I'd have thought you would've figured that out by now.

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 07:21:49 PM »
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Don't you think it's a bit premature to call the guy a phoney Christian at this point?

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I am just doing what 'lil baby Jesus would want me to do.   

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Re: World chess champion Bobby Fischer dies
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 08:12:35 PM »
Bigjake,

So you think anyone who says "I am doing what my Christian faith requires me to do" is a clown? or what? I'm not sure the point you're making here, but it looks pretty darned rude to me. 

If you don't agree with his point, there are plenty of ways to say so other than calling his religious beliefs into question.  Calling someone a phoney believer over this is pretty well outside the bounds of decency, if you ask me.
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2008, 08:20:48 PM »
As usual, you miss the point, as it sails about 30000 feet over your pointy head.

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2008, 08:30:45 PM »
As usual, you miss the point, as it sails about 30000 feet over your pointy head.

No, I'm pretty sure I saw the point loud and clear.  But apparently the point I was making to you, that you don't need to call names or insult people to disagree, made no impression.
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