Author Topic: Are guns your most important political issue?  (Read 9315 times)

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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2008, 03:46:14 AM »
The 2A is important, but not as important as freedom of speech.

If we don't have freedom of speech, we're screwed.  Fixing things politically becomes impossible.  The only option left is violence, which I wish to avoid as much as possible.

Again, if they take away the freedom of speech and they have guns, and you don't, what are you gonna do about it?


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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2008, 05:02:52 AM »
Well, yeah...I'm not saying I'd toss out my guns if told I could still openly bash the government, but I think the first amendment is at least as important.  What good are your guns for use against a tyrannical government if you've been raised to zealously believe in the State, and have never read a word of Orwell, Jefferson, or any of the founding fathers and free-thinkers?

On the other hand, you can't exactly back up your dissent without arms.  But if it comes time to use weapons against the government, there's always getting them illegally, making them, stealing them, etc...

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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2008, 05:07:42 AM »
If there was a choice between one and two, that's what I'd click. I chose "most important" only because like others here, I find a politician's stance on the 2nd an incredibly good indicator on how he/she stands on other issues that are very important to me.

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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2008, 08:28:17 AM »
You're right.  We'd all grab our AW's, drive our SUV's to D.C. surround 'em, smoke 'em out and pick 'em off.   laugh

There's two concepts that come to mind that are much more realistic than the "million gun march" on D.C. that seems to arise on the boards from time to time, either in earnest but naive origins, or in jest as more of a reductio ad absurdum.

First, a page of the play book leftist/environmentalist/anti-WTO/kumbyah set. "Think globally, act locally." Translated into anti-totalitarian RKBA tactics, it means the local low-level officials are either too terrified to enact the dictates of D.C., or dead. It's obviously no gaurantee of success, but it levels the playing field immensely.

Second, the other is "MAD" from the cold war. In our terms it means, "Yes, Joe-six-pack RKBA believer won't 'win', but if enough of them are angry, the U.S. will devolve into balkanization, or become a Somaliaesque 'failed state'." And thus, both sides at least have a vested interest in maintaining the status-quo of our battered, but still functioning Constitutional Republic.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2008, 09:13:58 AM »
Guns are the litmus test.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2008, 09:56:20 AM »
RKBA is most important.

Once that right is gone the others will be departing soon after.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2008, 02:30:04 PM »
If there was a choice between one and two, that's what I'd click. I chose "most important" only because like others here, I find a politician's stance on the 2nd and incredibly good indicator on how he/she stands on other issues that are very important to me.

+1.

Although I rate border security issues a close second to RKBA and related civil rights issues, I honestly think the greatest threat isn't the evil bad guys from afar but the homegrown statists. From Londonesque surveillance to the war on drugs, I'm with Lewis all the way.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2008, 05:31:55 PM »
I have always looked at a candidates views on the 2nd, in the last few years it has become the most important thing I look at when deciding on who to vote for. A small part of it is I like evil black rifles quite a bit but more important is it is a good indicator what respect they will give the rest of our human rights. If they only give lip service to the 2nd ( Mc Cain, Bush the elder, Clinton, Kerry)  they will tend to be willing to infringe on the others such as the 1st (McCain again, Bush the younger) or the 4th ( Bush) and all of them stomp on the 9th and 10th every chance they get. It's one of the reasons I have tended to vote Libertarian anytime I have a choice on my ballot. I look at taxes and some other stuff also but that is a pretty small part of my decision.

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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2008, 05:59:46 PM »
The 2A is important, but not as important as freedom of speech.

If we don't have freedom of speech, we're screwed.  Fixing things politically becomes impossible.  The only option left is violence, which I wish to avoid as much as possible.

Again, if they take away the freedom of speech and they have guns, and you don't, what are you gonna do about it?


  Well I often wonder why the Founding Fathers put that freedom of speech thing first. 

And guns work most of the time but sometimes revolts happen without them.  India and the civil rights movement come to mind.

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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2008, 06:39:55 PM »
I consider it equal with the rest of the Bill of Rights, even though I consider it a tad more important, as I believe it's the right that protects the other rights.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2008, 01:40:25 AM »
If a politician can't understand a part of the Constitution as simply & clearly written as the Second Amendment, I have concerns about his/her understanding of the entire document.......
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2008, 10:49:26 PM »
Four years ago I would have been "Absolutely!! 100%!!!" 

Now I look at other factors, like the descent into fascism--of which gun control is a critical part.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2008, 11:16:27 PM »
RKBA is most important.

Once that right is gone the others will be departing soon after.

I use to agree with that sentiment, but lately I think that they are going after the other ones first. Detention without counsel, Warrantless searches and wiretaps, McCain-Feingold, etc. It seems they attack others full force, but just slowly chip away at the 2nd amendment. Maybe by doing that it will be harder to fight when they finally try an outright attack on the 2nd.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2008, 06:52:48 AM »
Most Important

That's the litmus test issue.  If a politician isn't on the right side of RKBA, I don't consider him as a candidate.  I then look at the other issues, but only regarding the politicians who passed the RKBA test.

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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2008, 01:59:17 PM »
RKBA is the most important issue, but not the most pressing.
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Re: Are guns your most important political issue?
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2008, 06:08:16 PM »
RKBA is most important.

Once that right is gone the others will be departing soon after.

I use to agree with that sentiment, but lately I think that they are going after the other ones first. Detention without counsel, Warrantless searches and wiretaps, McCain-Feingold, etc. It seems they attack others full force, but just slowly chip away at the 2nd amendment. Maybe by doing that it will be harder to fight when they finally try an outright attack on the 2nd.
  My thoughts as well.  The current administration has destroyed what this country was about.  The Bill of Rights is a "goddamn piece of paper" according to Bush.